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OfflineIntegra21
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Balls out Second Grow (Mango Scrog, Organic DWC, 430w Son Argo Air cooled, CO2)*Updated Weekly*
    #244075 - 06/29/09 02:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This is the records so far of my first grow. I am attempting an indoor scrog grow with White Widow Feminized seeds. It is a soil grow but I am working on converting to deep water culture hydro. I have a 100w MH (Home Depo) light for vegging my mothers, i use dual 200w(43w) Daylight cfl's for cloning and vegging seedlings. My Flowering room light is a 400w Lumatek digital switchable ballast with a Sunleaves air cooled hood, which is air cooled. I use a Philips 430w Son Argo bulb Which is 15 inches from my screen.I use the TechnaFlora Recipe for success starter kit for nutrients. I also have an Ionizing humidifier to keep humidity at an optimal range. I made my DCW hydro tubs from a mix of parts from the local grow store and Wal-Mart. I used a 5 gallon 3ftx18in Rubermaid tub and cut holes for 6 5.5in and 4 3in heavy duty net pots. I use the Blue 12in prisim shaped air stones. They are hooked to 3 General Hydroponics Dual Diaphram air pumps with 4 stones per pump(1 for each outlet) Keep in mind when viewing this post that my growroom itself is only 3.5 feet tall, which is why i chose the Scrog method.



  Week 3  These Pictures are of my seedlings at 3 weeks. Vegging under a 100wMH, i had no nutrients or way of checking ph, so as you can imagine, they aren't as happy with me as they could be at this point. Picture is from a camera phone, so quality is lacking, but it will improve later. You'll see.

Week 4This is a shot 4 weeks in. The plants grew ridiculously fast. I belive this was due to a transplant to a full size pot, and co2 enrichment by dry ice. I also got proper nutrients and lucked out with the nutrient mix being at a 6.32ph, because at this point, I still had no way of checking ph. 

Week 5This photo is at 5 weeks. The co2 enrichment was continued and a humidifier was added. I kept the room at 84 degrees F, and the humidity at 65%.


Week 7These Photos are at 7 weeks. Plant growth has slowed and my dry ice budget ran out. A lot of work has been done to the room over the last 2 weeks. A flowering chamber has been created out of black/white poly and good old fashioned duct tape. The 400w Light and air ducts were installed. I also built a screen out of 1/2" pvc pipe and 2"x3" wire mesh. over this 2 week period, the 2 best plants were kept for cloning, and the worst one(far right in pics above)was trained using old bootlaces to be as horizontal as I could get it. it is a gradual, but easy process to do this. once trained, I had a bit of a nutrient problem from over feeding to try to keep the ph right, because  i still did not have a ph tester. Right before it was placed under the screen, i had to do a soil flush on all of the plants, and the scrog trial plant was the lease happy. To stress the plant even more, it was place under a fresh 400w lamp, which is only 14" from the screen. So far it is pulling through nicely. we will see where it goes.



Week 8These Photos are at 8 weeks. The vegging mothers have just had 4 clones each clipped from them. The clones are 4 days old and starting to pick up. a also placed a couple of bag seeds of a local growers personal strain Piss into the tray witch have sprouted. I have had slow growth this first week of flowering, but it seems like the light is overwhelming the plant, but it is slowly recovering. When it is time to transplant the clones, they will be going into a dwc hydro setup i made over the weekend. More pics to come, so keep watching. This will be a fairly long journal because the plant that is flowering is just Scrog practice until the clones are ready.

Week 9These photos are a week 9. The mothers are doing well, recovering from a N deficiency. I was using my nutrients at half strength, and as the mothers got bigger, that just wasn't enough. Been at full strength for a couple of days and they have improved greatly. The one that is flowering was also showing the same problem, so i watered it with an N only solution. It too seemed to really like this. The clones all seemed like they were dying, so i figured I'd move them to the DWC tub, and they didnt get any worse, and in the last 24 hours, 2 of the smallest ones started to perk up. I'm sure i will get a hard time for it, but the tub is filled almost to the top, making the net pots half submerged in the nutrient solution, which is making the rockwool under the hydrotron stay constantly soaked. i worried about rot, but they seem to be coming around, so time will tell. The seedlings in the dome are about 1 1/2 weeks old. all bag seeds. The 2 on the right are from a local growers pesonal strain, and the one on the left is a Blue Kush seedling. 3 out of 3 on bag seeds sprouting seems pretty good to me. The one that is flowering is now 2 weeks into the 12/12 cycle. I just changed to a 430w Son Argo bulb today, so well see if a little bit of blue spectrum and higher lumens is liked by my girl. Another update will be up in a week. Feel free to share your comments and tips. I am trying to do the best I can, but this is my first grow, and it's been a rollercoaster of good and bad. Thanks to all the people here that dont mind helping the new guy out.

Thought id throw this up. About 2 days into week 9 and the pistils are showing. Glad femenized gave me a female.

Here's a couple more of my experimental Scrog baby flowering and some shots of my grow room. The whole area is black and white poly on the floor and mylar on the walls and ceiling. I have 6" ducting run from a vent i installed, being pulled through the light be a squirle cage fan, and the output of the fan going back into the flowering room. his is to help keep the temp down and is only temporary until i get my co2 set up.


Week 10 No changes to the grow room except the hydro tank being preped for flowering. Got it ready to sex the 2 mothers. I will be starting 2 clones(1 from each)on a 12/12 regiment tomorrow. The mother have been a bit of trouble over the last week. The one on the left just got repotted and a soil flush. It had been suffering from an aparent nitrogen deficiency, and i had watered with a nitrogen only solution. this made it better for about 2 weeks, but then the leaves started loosing color and getting puffy. Also, dark splotches started to develop on lower older leaves. So hopefully the flush will help. The clones have begun to root a a fairly rapid rate in the last week in the DWC hydro tub. Went from only a few plants having 1 short visible root to several on all plants but one. # weeks into cloning and 7 out of 8 are healthy. Not bad for a first go at it from what I've read. I just changed their nutrient solution in the tub today for the first time. I was trying to save money on nutriens by leaving it in the same solution for 2 weeks, even though only 1 is recomended, and they didn't seem to mind a bit. The flowering plant is now a fully showing its sex and is looking rather good to me. There is a sweet smell starting to develop, but it doesn't smell of marijuana. Let me know if anyone knows the nutrient problem or other problem that might be affecting my mother. Thanks and more to come.
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Week 11. Another busy week. The Seedlings are doing great. The Blue Kush is still the tallest. The clones are doing the best i've ever seen plants do. Secondary branches are starting to grow, and the color is great. Roots have grown a lot over the last week, i believe this is from adding Root66 to the hydo solution. I have been filling with a 100% nutrient solution ever time it gets low, and the girls have been drinking about a 1/2 gallon a day.

I made a new room for the mothers to be seprate from the others, but only 2ft away. Still having nutrien problems with the one on the left, but the right has been doing fine on a regular food/water regiment. I stared sexing a clone from each last monday. no definite answers, but the look female to me. Finished the hydro tub for the flowering room by adding 2 General Hydro Dual Diaphram air pumps and 10 12" air stones, the clone buclet has one of these pumps and 4 12" air stones. Might be a little overkill, but the plants seem to love it and my tubs are only 5" and 6" deep.

My flowering White Widow is starting to look like one. Tricome growth has started in full force over this last week. Bud growth is better than I expected. I have been feeding this plant with 100% strength nutrients every other watering, and it still seems like it wants more. I am using the TechnaFlora Recipe For Success Starter Kit and their recommended mixture for flowering. Has anyone else had this issue? I ordered a 20lb co2 tank this weekend, and I'm hoping it will be here by this weekend. Hopefully that will really help out bud grow for her last 3-5 weeks of flowering. Can't wait to get these hydro clones flowering and filling out my whole screen. All harvest weights will be posted. But there's plenty more updates before then.


         

Week 11.5 *Special Macro Update!So i finally figured out the macro setting on my camera. Thought I'd throw up this fresh set so people could see the detail i couldn't get before.
The top row is of my seedlings and soil clone of the flowering WW3(L2R, Piss2,Piss1,P.Kush,WW3 Soil clone)
The Second row is my clones that are vegging and flowering(L2R, WW1Veg, WW2Veg, WW1Sexing, WW2Sexing) WW1 in the flower room is starting to show clearly that it is a female, but WW2 is moving a little slower.
The third row is all good shots of WW3 flowering. If you zoom the pics all the way in you can really see how nice the buds are developing. Trichomes look real good. Nice and dense and sticking off of the plant a good ways.

Week 12.Another good week for the Plants. The mothers(above) seem to be liking their new room. Just cfl's(43wx2) and there looking good. Might be finally geting the nutrients under control for WW1 Mother. The seedlings are doing well also, but i have noticed that every time i feed or water them, they start to droop within minutes, but then perk up to looking great within 12 hrs. Has anyone seen this before and is it something I should be worried about?


The clones are doing awesome. I never knew hydro was so easy and the plants really seem to love it. No signs of negative health at all. Roots are Growing like crazy and so are the plants. At this rate i'll have to start training them to grow hoizontal in the veg tank. Still have been topping the tank off with 100% strength nutrient solution and changing every 2 weeks. Although this is working well for now, i will probly have to drop it down to once a week when they get a little bigger considering that 7 plants are sharing 2.5 gallons. Also, you see how huge the fan leaves on WW1 clones are getting. They look so nice, but i fear they might cause problems once the plants are under the screen. Next weeks pictures will have a scale refrence so you can tell how huge they really are.

The sexing clones are coming along. The WW1 has grown tall enough it is poking through the screen. Color and root growth is great. With these hydro clones i have had no light burn issues like i did with the flowering WW3. The WW1 clone(left) is showing without any doubt that it's female. There are little pistils sprouting everywhere. But if you look at the ground levle shot, you can see how much it streched since flowering, not sure what caused this, because it certainly isnt a light issue. The WW2 clone is just starting to really grow, but i believe this is due to it being so under developed when it was switched to flowering(only had 1/2 the root mass as WW1)


The Flowering WW3 plant is doing good. But no mater how little or much i feed this girl, it never seems like enough. The leaves just wont keep any kind of rich green. Has anyone else seen this? I origanally would use a feed, water, water, feed cycle, but the plant seemed starved, so i took my chances and changed to a feed, water, feed cycle, and there has been little color improvement. The buds look great, but the leaves not so much. Just noticed way zoomed in on these pics, the some random pistils are starting to change on random buds. Is this normal for a plant 6 weeks into a 10 week flowering cycle. Seemed early, I wasn't expecting it. Co2 is coming today, so hopefully by next weeks update, we can see more advanced growth as a result, but I'm not sure what to expect this late into flowering, but im sure it cant hurt.And if you zoom all the way in on the close up bud pics, you can see the trichome's are growing dense and looking so good i just wana eat um.

Another mid week update. Just some picks to show flowering is doing well. One of the clones i am sexing has grown from 6inches to 17inches in 2 weeks. I started training the vegging clones with parachute string. I use this to tie halfway up the stalk of each plant, bending them over to the side to the point that some secondary branches are at the same height or higher than the top. This causes more vigorous growth in the secondary branches and is how you get the uniform canopy of the scrog started. It is fairly easy to do and you can continue to bend the plant a little more each day until you obtain your even canopy. This way the plant is more accustomed  to the horizontal growth you want and doesnt induce as much stress at the begining of flowering when the plant is moved under the actual screen.

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Week 13
Ok, We're on week 13 of the grow, 7 weeks into flowering for WW3, and the WW1&2 clones have been flowering for 3 weeks.  The seedlings are still growing at a decent rate, but are showing signs of an n deficiency, but i believe is from over feeding with 100% strength nutrients solution. I have now watered twice since last feeding, and will feed next with a 50% strength solution. The Clones from WW3 are looking good color wise, but havent grown a single node since clipping. It has been around 4 weeks since it was clipped, and this seems like slow progress, but the clippings were taken 3 weeks into flowering, which may explain the slow growth. They do have roots growing, but not very many, about as many as WW1&2 had after 2 weeks. The last shot is just Some Hawaiian's Spawned PF Cakes cased in vermiculite coco core I got growing in their own section of the room and have been there since the begening.

The WW1&2 clones have been growing well and have massive rootballs. They are thirsty girls too, drinking on average of 1.5-2 gallons a day. I Know only top off with 100% strength nutrient solution. Great color and no signs of over fert yet. The training is going well. As you can see from the pics, Side branches are growing nicely giving the appearance of severl more plants then there truly are. There is only 5, 2 WW1 front and # WW2 in the back.


This past week on Wednesday I spent about 20 minutes training the WW1 clone i have been sexing. I simply let the plants grow through the screen by 2-4 inches and when they're sticking up higher than the others, i pull them back down below the screen, and move them further away from the main stem  by 1 or 2 openings in the screen, and push them back through the top, so that only the top of the branch is sticking through the screen. I repeat this process every time the plants grow a little with the end goal being that every square of the screen is filled with the top of a branch, weather it is a top cola, or the lowest little branch from the bottom of the plant. I don't have a lot of experience with working with different strains, but all 3 of my white widow plants are extremely flexible even though their stems are fairly thick from what i've seen of other peoples plants. They bend to where i want them, and as long as I have an inch or two of stem sticking past where the stem is touching the screen, they grow back upright within 24hours every time. They even know which way is up when the lights are off. Pulling them down is generally the easy part, it take more work to get the tip back through the screen because the leaves shape allows them tho pull out easily, but not push back through. So to get them through, I usually just work 1 leaf at a time pulling them through gently, and have yet to damage a leaf or stem doing this. I have found through my practice plant I have flowering now, than plastic coated twist ties are your best friend with a Scrog. I just bend a hook shape and place it around the stem and then just twist to the screen in the direction i want it to grow, and i can get them exactly where I want them to so their not blocking light from any other tips. Any Questions feel free to ask.


The flowering WW3 is 7 weeks in with 1-3 weeks to go. Tric growth is better every day, and so is the potency of this plant. I cut of all foliage below the screen, but at a gradual pace. For the last 3 weeks each time I take the clippings, which ever under developed bud that were trimmed go into my dehydrator for about two hours at 155deg. Since i started, i have seen the taste, smell, and potency of these crappy clipings change dramatically, and i'm glad ive done it. First weeks would give me a week head high and had a sent of cucumber and tasted awful with an even worse after taste. The following week ti smells slightly musky with a hint of dank, but still the cucumber smell. This began to give me a strong head high with a a pretty good body buzz to. I found myself smiling at the tingly sensation at the back of my head and consequently laughing like a tweeking highschooler. I still have concerns about the lightness of my leaves, but nothing will really help. Just pale green further from the light and bleached yellow with an strange color change in some of the leaves to an almost redish brown that doesnt look any less unhealthy than the rest of the leaf under 30x magnification. About 40%-50% of the pistills are turning orange. Trics are mostly clear with some turning cloudy and none turning amber. This being my first harvest, I know I want to start flushing the soil 1-2 weeks at the end, but does that start at my best guess of 2 weeks be fore the plant is ready, or for to weeks after the trics start to turn amber???
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Week 14
Alright, we are now 14 weeks into this grow, and the real grow has just began. The clones taken from the flowering WW3 plant are finally starting to grow. They're looking pretty health, especially the one in the hydro tub because it is no longer being robbed of light by the other plants. Had to move the clones from veg to flower by force instead of choice, which I certainly wasn't happy about. More detail on that in a bit. The WW3 plant has now been flowering for 8 weeks. 0-2 Weeks left, but I have a feeling it will be more twards the 2 weeks. I am having nutrient problems with my piss and Blue Kush seedlings. They are showing N&P deficiencies, but no mater how I feed them, it never really gets better. I have a feeling the soil is the culprit. It was Miracle Grow Tomato Soil with vermiculite mixed in. I think I added too much vermiculite as I'd estimate it was about 20% of the mix. Still every time i feed or water them, the immediately sag and droop and take 12 hours to recover. Any one know what might cause this?


Ok, it was a hell of a week with these girls. While changing the tub for fresh nutrients last Sunday, I noticed the roots from the 5 clones(WW1&2) were growing and tangling together pretty bad. I figured if i didnt get them out of there now, it would be to late. The 2 WW1 clones came out fairly easy with some gentle pulling to seperate the root balls with no damage. The 3 WW2 clones were another whole story. They were tangled so badly together that it took some rater force full pulling and rocking to get 1 of the plants free, and I actually had to cut about 10% of the roots of the other 2 to get them apart. I did this by getting about halfway between the 2 plants tangled roots and cut making it that each plant only lost about 4-5 inches of that 10% of roots. I had never transplanted with hydro before and realized while I was doing it that I didn't know the best way to do this, and since time was of the essence, i guessed. I took the 3.5" net pot from the veg res. and coiled the coot ball in the bottom of an empty 5.5" net pot in a soft serve ice cream fashion until the desired height was achieved and then filled in the pot with hydrotron to hold it at this level. After a couple of days in the flower room, the WW2 clones only had leaves curling up like taco shells and turning rusty brown on only random fan leaves. I figured this was from the damage the roots recieved and the way i coiled the roots on the bottom of the pot with none hanging out. I then added a full strength dose of TechnaFlora Root66 and waited to see the fate of half my crop. Fourtunately, after a few days rotts have began to find there way out of the net pot, and the leaf damage has stopped but not cleared. I trimmed off many of the bad leaves when I was trimming under the screen so that the plant would not waste energy and nutrients on repairing these badly damaged leaves.
The WW1&2 clones that i was sexing have now been flowering for 1 month and look great. The color is rich and pistil grow looks so much healthier and denser than my WW3 plant did at 1 month. +Cant believe it looks like i'm going to get a decent yield of of a clone that was flowered at 5" tall.


WW3 8 weeks into flowering. It was obvious I would have to come up with a solution to get my almost finished flowering plant out of the screen without damaging it so the other clones could be moved in. So i cut the screen all around the plant and lifted the frame up and pulled the plant out. The i just moved it to the side of the screen and anchored down the main stem with parachute string to the pot. Not as level as it was in the screen but it will have to do. 8 weeks in and there is still more smell coming off of my mothers than there is coming off of this mature plant. If you get right up on the plant you can smell a strong aroma of dank, but in the room or the rest of the house there is no smell. my smell control so far has been a glade plugin in the doorway to my growroom. I think this may be different with the fresh flowering clones as those are from the mothers that smell moe than the flowering plant.Trichome grow is still fantastic, long dense coverage. some of them are starting to turn cloudy, but none are amber yet. Seeing as there should only be 2 or less weeks left, i have just switched to watering only in preperation for the upcoming harvest Hopefully it doesnt take much longer than that or i can see problems in my future, and i have no way to gauge it, because it is the first plant i have ever flowered. Just going to keep a close eye in the trichomes and hope the seedbanks flowering time of 8-10 weeks is accurate. Cant wait to smoke some of this herb. When the harvest comes, i am planning on taking 10% and drying in a dehydrator on low heat(105F) over a 24 hour period. This is to get me by while 20% of the harvest is being water cured as an expierement to compare quality and high to traditional drying and jaring which i will be doing to the remaining 70% of the harvest. I will take all trimmings and fan leaves to make canna butter, and when the main harvest comes in a couple of months, i will add making hash to the list. Thanks for tuning in. Another new update in a week.
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Week 15
Things are looking Pretty good. The Mothers Are finally Starting to look better. I Adjusted the ph of water and nutrients from 6.3 to 6.8 and it seems to be working wonders. The clone from the WW3 plant are growing slow but steady. Their new growths look strange. Varying from 2-3 leaves with smooth edges. Hope this eventually turns into regular vegataive growth since the plant they were cut from is turning out so well, but were sadly cut 3 weeks into the flowering process. If you zoom in you can still clearly see pistils and trichome growth clearly. The Blue Kush and Piss plants were re-potted into slightly larger pots and the medium changed from miracle grow tomato soil to Black Gold Coco mix which I added 15% perlite and 10% vermiculite. They seem to be really enjoying it. After the WW3 plant finishes flowering, I'll cut clones from each of them for sexing.

The WW3 plant is now 9 weeks into flowering. Like all the other soil plants, i adjusted its water ph from 6.3 to 6.8 and new pistil growth took off like crazy. I believe flowering was delayed from the ph imbalance, but also from stress the plant endured throughout its growth cycle. They included nutrient stress on an of and on basis and on 2 seperate occasions it was subjected to light and humidity stress from a humidifier being left on full blast with no exhaust fan on and the humidifier had a bright blue led that showed it was lit. I decied to look through my peep hole 4 hours after the light had turned of and saw bright blue fog instead of the usual total darkness. When I rolled the room door back, the entire room was soaked with water(walls, ceiling, plant, small pond under the plant) Since there was 8 hours of darkness left, I turne the exhaust fan ont, closed it up, and hopped for the best. Besides longer flowering time, you'd think that nothing ever happened by the way it looks. I cut another actual bud off that was getting zero direct light and lookd more mature than others. I dehydrated it for 18 hours at 110F in total darkness. I smoked this shit and of course it tastes awful, but man does it get me high. I mean the highest I've been in a long time. I starting to wonder if I can handle this bud when It's fully mature. When high, I feel a really strong body buzz that makes my neck feel rubbery and my forehead tingle. Ive smoked it twice and both times tweaked for 15 minutes giggling like a high school bitch. The high also lasts for 3-4 hours. I know this is a pretty potent strain, and i have never smoked it before, and was not expecting it, even though ive been smoking for over ten years and smoking good home grown for the last several years. Here's a pic of that bud.



All of the WW1&2 clones are doing great. Im really liking the WW1 clone that had the month head start from sexing. It has a much stronger aroma than the WW3 plant, even though it is a month and a half behind it. If you zoom all the way in, you can see trichomes growing off of stems and under leaves even though the growth has just begun. The other 5 plants have been growing at a steady rate getting rearranged every couple of days with several branch tips poking out everywhere. They are now 2 weeks into flowering, so i am expecting to see a lot more pistil growth over the next week as long as it wasnt delayed by the root problems during the first week of flowering.
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Week 16
We are now a total of 16 weeks into this grow. The Flowering WW3 is now 10 weeks into harvest. The Sexing WW1&2 clones are 6 weeks into flowering. Then the Rest of the WW1&2 clones are at 4 weeks flowering. I finished my nutrient area in my room. Makes life a light easier and stealth. I know have all of the nutrients layed out on a mixing bench for conveniance. Fresh filtered water is now on tap in the room. Also looking to use this area to hold about 4 more mother. I have picked a few strains, and am waiting to get some cash, and then Nirvana's Blue Mystic&Blackberry are on the way. I tried a new way of cloning this week that has gone suprisingly well.I cloned the usual cut, trim, and dip in rooting hormone, but instead of Rockwool, I used a neoprene insert in my net pot and floated the clones above the nutrient solution. They are now 2 days old, and still kicking. No humidity dome whatsoever. Needless to say, these results shocked me. Hopefully they make it so i can sex my Piss and Blue Kush plants. They only drooped for the first 12 hrs, and now, I can see the smallest little white tip sticking out of the cut end. Amazed it had its own root in under 24hrs.

As you can see, the WW1&2 Mothers are doing much better after the ph has been corrected for 2 weeks. The Blue Kush and Piss plants are well into vegatative growth and have had one clone each clipped in the new way described above, and are for sexing purposes. But judging by the preflowers, they are both female. I would have had pictures of this, but both plants are so bushy, I couldn't get the camera to focus right to see them clearly. The WW3 clones are growing still slow but steady, but I am begening to worry about the usability of these clones. They were taken 3 weeks into flowering and pistils were growing. A month after they were cut, new growth began. First a pair of fan leaves with three blades, the next set had two, and now it has grown two sets of leaves that are a single blade each. I hope at some point they return to normal growth, but if not, I just lost fantastic genetics forever. No mater how bad a plants seems in the begening, always cut clones and give them a chance to shine in flowering. I may have found out how important this is the hard way.


The Screen is going well. There are a few leaves, especially on the WW1 clone that is further alone, that are showing the same browning and curling, that happened during the transplant to the flowering tub. I believe this is from root stress that could have happened when I changed the tub earlier this week. Hopefully it clears up just like last time. The buds are getting huge on the Sexing WW1 clone and trichomes are starting to grow. Flower stretching seemed to stop just in time. Otherwise I might have had to deal with an over grown screen. -They are all sticking up about an inch or two higher than I'd like, but hopefully this will get me some more of them big buds. All of the plants have pistil growth kicking into high gear. I really hope it get to my goal of a pound on my first grow. But even if it is only half a pound, I will be thrilled.

The WW3 is almost done. I am back to flushing with water only, and hope to harvest in the next week or two. The trichomes on this plant amaze me. They are very dense and long. Now two buds have been cut off of the plant. The high off of this thing is incredible. Now its far enough along that the smell of the buds is almost as good as the high, but since neither of the buds i smoked were properly cured, they tasted like shit, even though there was a noticeable improvement in taste since the last bud was clipped.  I am planning on using the trimm from harvest to make some cana butter, so I can make some killer cookies. So far each of the buds taken were dried @105F for 24 hours in my dehydrator. Thanks for reading, and please feel free to leave coments or ask questions.
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Week 17
    We are now 17 weeks into this grow. The WW3 plant is 11 weeks into flowering. The sexing WW1&2 clones are 7 weeks into flowering and the rest of the WW1&2 clones are 5 weeks in. The clones cut from WW3 when it was flowering are finally starting to resume normal growth, after about 2 months. I also seem to be expieriencing a problem with all of my plants where little white dots are clustering on the searated tips of the leaves and tips are turning rust colored/brown and curling upwards. The WW1&2 mothers are getting tall enough to where I might be forced to top them. The Blue Kush and Piss Mothers are doing well, except signs of a nutrient deficiency on the lower and older leaves. I also ordered Blue Mystic, Mango, and MazarxAfgahn seeds. I am waiting for them to arrive to start the hunt for the mother of those strains.

The hydro clones are all doing well except for my strange problem. The WW3 clone has started to resume normal growth. The side branches were first and now the top main stem is coming around. Hopefully this can grow into a viable mother, ans the phenotype seems pretty good. The Piss and Blue kush clones are doing like normal clones usually do, except they seem behind a couple of days. There are clearly roots protruding now.


The Flowering WW3 plant is now 11 week in. It still has fresh growth, and most of the trichomes are cloudy, but none are amber yet. The potency of this bud keeps getting noticably stronger every week. Loving the hell out of it. The WW1 sexing clone is showing the worst of the damage of whatever is happening in my room. Every fan leaf has shrivled, wilted, and discolored, but the small leaves that are part of the bud structure look fine. Not sure why this is. The rest of the clones also have the same problem, and i fear will get worse. This all started happening a few days after my last nutrient tub change. At first I thought it was root stress like before, but instead of gradually getting better, it keeps slowly getting worse. Can any one help identify this problem from the pics below. I just find it strange, but it looked like spider mites to me, but under a 30x microscope, I can see none on the top of bottoms of leaves. Only discoloring and deterioration. Pleas help if you know what this is.


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    #244120 - 06/29/09 03:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #244122 - 06/29/09 03:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks. But I was mor so hoping for  :blowjob: ....JK. Thanks for the input.


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    #244159 - 06/29/09 04:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:whacker:  Nice man, I just hope my plants turn out half as good as yours.


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    #246216 - 07/06/09 03:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Week 17 update up. Check it out and if anyone can help with the problem I am having, it would be much appreciated. Full details at the bottom of the update.


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    We are now 17 weeks into this grow. The WW3 plant is 11 weeks into flowering. The sexing WW1&2 clones are 7 weeks into flowering and the rest of the WW1&2 clones are 5 weeks in. The clones cut from WW3 when it was flowering are finally starting to resume normal growth, after about 2 months. I also seem to be expieriencing a problem with all of my plants where little white dots are clustering on the searated tips of the leaves and tips are turning rust colored/brown and curling upwards. The WW1&2 mothers are getting tall enough to where I might be forced to top them. The Blue Kush and Piss Mothers are doing well, except signs of a nutrient deficiency on the lower and older leaves. I also ordered Blue Mystic, Mango, and MazarxAfgahn seeds. I am waiting for them to arrive to start the hunt for the mother of those strains.

The hydro clones are all doing well except for my strange problem. The WW3 clone has started to resume normal growth. The side branches were first and now the top main stem is coming around. Hopefully this can grow into a viable mother, ans the phenotype seems pretty good. The Piss and Blue kush clones are doing like normal clones usually do, except they seem behind a couple of days. There are clearly roots protruding now.


The Flowering WW3 plant is now 11 week in. It still has fresh growth, and most of the trichomes are cloudy, but none are amber yet. The potency of this bud keeps getting noticably stronger every week. Loving the hell out of it. The WW1 sexing clone is showing the worst of the damage of whatever is happening in my room. Every fan leaf has shrivled, wilted, and discolored, but the small leaves that are part of the bud structure look fine. Not sure why this is. The rest of the clones also have the same problem, and i fear will get worse. This all started happening a few days after my last nutrient tub change. At first I thought it was root stress like before, but instead of gradually getting better, it keeps slowly getting worse. Can any one help identify this problem from the pics below. I just find it strange, but it looked like spider mites to me, but under a 30x microscope, I can see none on the top of bottoms of leaves. Only discoloring and deterioration. Pleas help if you know what this is.


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    #246310 - 07/06/09 03:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

11 Weeks? Damn dude...  Looking excellent as usual... I don't know about your problems though, I'll read it again.  You are doing so well for a first grow... You definately read your shit! :thumbup:


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    #246573 - 07/07/09 12:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I had the luck of the gods. I got 3 White widow seedlings that were 2 weeks old, a 100w MH Home depot light, and a squirrel cage fan from a good buddy. The next two weeks they were vegging, i just did what he had told me, and researched daily with a deep desire to out do his grow, with my very limited space. I just kept researching and changing things all while the plants were growing. And every thing in the room was bought by me, a random dude that has been unemployed for over a year. Everything was bought from money i earned doing side jobs like painting and brakes. But where there's a will there's a way, thats why I always try to tell people who say they are broke that there is always a way to make little improvements one at a time. I am hoping that my first actual harves(not the 1 plant that was just an expieriment) will pay for every thing i have bought for my room. But I'm beyond on target. For prices around me, I only have to sell a 1/4lb. and the room 100% paid for itself. Im probly looking at a 100-200% profit of my investment, but only time will tell. And for anyone curious about the research, it involved Greg Greens Grow Bible, Jorge Cervantes Grow Bible, Jorge Cervantes Ultimate Grow 1&2 dvd's, and various peoples grow logs on this site and others. All readily available to anyone with an internet connection.


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    #247121 - 07/08/09 02:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The most WICKED SICKEST first grow I have seen in a longgg time! thumbs up!


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    #248333 - 07/11/09 08:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Week 18 Harvest update

Ok, I finally harvested WW3. After 12 weeks of flowering it finally gets the axe. I harvested with 95% cloudy trichomes and no amber anywhere on the plant. I did this to have more of an alert high off of this plant. I cut and trimmed, and then hung in my closet. I used the trim to make canna butter. Used 4 stickes to make it. Boilded with water and butter on low heat for 40min and rolling boil high heat for the last 5min. Hope you enjoy these pics. Maybe more POTM nominations. Cant wait for my real harvest in about a month, but this will hold me over untill then.



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    #248696 - 07/12/09 02:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That bud reminds me of the Bogglegum plant I first grew circa 2004.

        Very nice! :biggrin:

       


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    #248707 - 07/12/09 03:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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That bud reminds me of the Bogglegum plant I first grew circa 2004.

        Very nice! :biggrin:

       




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    #248729 - 07/12/09 04:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wish my first grow had went half as smoothly. You put up quite a nice setup, well planed.


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    #248777 - 07/12/09 06:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It seems with growing, that there is no such thing as too much research. I still research weekly to try to find ways to improve my setup. Currently germinating new strains(Blue Mystic, Mango, and Mazar x Afgahn)in an attempt to find a higher yielding strain. Looking into some Flowering LED pannels to use as supplimental lighting with my 430w argo. And I am still waiting to get a proper CO2 regulator(need cash) so I can use the 20lb tank I got. I know it looks great, but I'm going for even better. I will continue to look for improvements until I reach my goal of 20oz's per flowering.


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    #248910 - 07/13/09 02:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Week 18 update.



Alright, now 18 weeks into the grow. The WW3 plant has been harvested after 12 weeks of flowering. The trichomes were about 95% cloudy and none were amber. I harvested it like this because I have been enjoying the awake functional high it gives me. The next one will be 50% amber though. I used the trim to make canna butter. Ended up with four sticks worth. I will be making cookies sometime this week. The mothers are all doing better after the water filter problem was fixed. In a few more inches, I'll have to top the WW2 mother. It will be too tall for it's space. It is currently 3'7"tall. The piss and Blue kush mothers are also doing better. And now regular growth has taken off in the WW3 clones, I was lucky enough to have clones taken during flowering 3 weeks in with obvious pistil growth. Glad I didnt loosed this phenotype because I really like the smoke. My seeds came this week. Only took a week and came very discretely packaged. I ordered Blue Mystic, Mango, and Mazar x Afgahn. I planted one of each 24 hours ago, and they have al germinated, but havent found there way out of the top of the rockwool.



The WW1&2 Clones that were sexing are now at 8 weeks into flowering. The rest of them are 6 weeks into flower. They all seem to be doing better now the water problem was solved. The Buds on the WW1 sexing clone are huge. There is definetly more of a smell off of this bunch than just the WW3. I trimmed another huge pile of fan leaves off today so that they couldn't block light from the developing bud sites. This is now the third time I have done this. Each time I'd guess that I trimmed of 30% of the total fan leaves. Roots are doing well and are a bright white. I am a little concerned about how close they are getting to the light. Now the closest are only about 6 inches away. Pretty close for a 430w Son Argo. This may be my last picture update, because I am out of space for uploading, and dont want to remove any pics since it will put gaps in the journal. Wish I could finish though. Are admins able to let you add extra photos, cause lets face it, my pics are for the good of otheres, not just hundred of kiddie porn pics.


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    #249193 - 07/13/09 10:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Check your messages; and thanks for uploading all the pic's. Lookin' pretty darn good! :gethigh:


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    #249221 - 07/14/09 01:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you Geo. This should last till about the final harvest. Glad people like watching enough to help keep it going. Thanks to all readers who might have messaged admins in my favor. Helps every one including me, as this journal is my main refrence for tracking my progress as well as keeping track of how far I;m along into flowering. Hopefully another good update next Monday.


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    #249252 - 07/14/09 04:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Here's a couple of pics that didnt make the update because of the space requirement. One is the pile of all of the fan leaves I trimmed off on Sunday and the other is my harvest hung to dry.


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    #251692 - 07/20/09 01:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Week 19 Update


I am now 19 weeks into my grow. It has been another busy week. The seedlings(Blue Mystic, Mango, Mazar) ar growing well. Each of them is working on the second set of seedling leaves. The mango has been growing a little faster than the others, hopefully because it is a fast flowering strain(50-60days) and not because it's male. I built a DWC bucket for my WW3 mother out of a 2 gallon bucket, a 3.5" heavy duty net pot, and a 4" air disc. I also switched to General Hydroponics Floral series, and it and the Blue Kush/Piss clones seem to really like it. The flowering tub will be switched to the same nutrients tomorrow. Sexing on the Piss and Blue Kush clones will also start tomorrow. The WW1&2 mothers are still doing well, but I am hopping to grow new Hydro mothers of them soon. I also harvested the WW1 plant that was sexing because of the suspected nutrient burn problem I am suffering due to the change in my water. The tiny leaves on the bud itself started to burn, so I harvested as a last ditch effort to make good of that plant before it was too late. Yesterday, to make sure it was mature enough, I clipped the bud growths from under the screen and dehydrated them, and the smoke was a super strong head high that was different from the WW3 buds. More of a spacy effect. Weight should be good though, because i got a quarter from the under screen buds. Final weight in about a week. My guess is 1.5-2oz.

The WW1&2 clones are now 7 weeks into flowering, and are doing ok. The fan leaves show the nutrient burn from before, but have not reached the buds themselves. I am hopping a nutrient change with some diluted nutrients will help clear this up. Flower growth is going well. Really starting to fill in. I am still waiting to cut my clones for the next batch to make sure it is not as over grown as this one. Also, because I having trouble deciding which strains/phenotypes to go with. But I still have another week or two to figure that out.



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    #252060 - 07/20/09 09:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Very informative and incredibly organized first grow man.  I've said it before but still I will give you props.  Much better than 95% of anyones first grow.  If I had your funds I would be able to achieve that but until I get a job that's out of the question.  Until then... Congratulations.


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    #252067 - 07/20/09 09:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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    #252138 - 07/21/09 12:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thats one sweet setup going on man! Awesome job!


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    #252139 - 07/21/09 12:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've said before, and I'll say it again. I have been unemployed for over a year. Literally everything in my grow room was bought from doing odd jobs for people. I knew if I did everything I could to do this first grow right, It would pay me back and then some in a very shor amount of time. So far have about $950 invested in about a 5-6 month amount of time. There is always a way, you just gotta skip the wake n bake to find the motivation to go find something. And its only temporary, back to the old routine after a couple of months.`


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    #252320 - 07/21/09 10:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I hadn't been following this grow, but going back now and reading it, it looks pretty cool!
To supplement what he's saying about not needing tons of cash to start, I'm currently setting up a three chamber perpetual soil grow and including lights, fans, filters, soil, building materials, etc. I'm still well under the thousand dollar mark.
A couple tips: Craigslist states and cities other than your own (California and Colorado ALWAYS have tons of equipment for sale on the cheap)many times they will ship it to you if you ask!
www.freecycle.com Check to see if there is a group near you.  I've gotten lumber, drywall, wood paneling, and planting pots for $0...do the math
If you have anyplace you can do it, make a compost pile! Why pay for soil when you can MAKE better soil for than what you can buy?
Finally: don't buy any preset grow cabs...build your own and save literally THOUSANDS of dollars.

@ Integra: Keep it up!  We definitely have different grow methods, but :respect: I can't wait to see where you go from here.


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    #252334 - 07/21/09 12:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

thnkx 81renaissance. Yeah, If your ready all the way through I'm sure you noticed there were tons of changes along the way(most documented), and there are more to come. I currently have a 20lb co2 tank, but haven't really got to use it yet because I am currently saving up for a proper regulator(its useless with out it, made a make shift one but went through a full tank in less than 24 hours) Waiting for the first flower to be complete, than changing my tub setup a little to make transplanting and changing the water easier. Working on converting all of my mothers to hydro using 2 gal buckets. Also going to add suplimental led lighting to my flower room. Looking into try led's for my mothers. Still not sure on that though, but I'm sure I'll try it with at least one mother. And as big as this list looks, Its not even as many as half of the changes that have already happened. But I am still dying to know how my new strains are. Just wanted something that flowered faster than 10 weeks(white widow).


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    #252714 - 07/22/09 02:09 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

A Suprise update.

In case anyone ever noticed that the second Piss plant Had kinda just disappeared out of my grow room, it didn't just die. I was doing my own little attempt at an outdoor grow. The plant was moved outside without and gradual immersion. The plant was grow indoors for about a month until it was about 7 inches tall. I planted it outside of my girlfriends dad's house(with his permission) and watered it. About 2 weeks later I came and poured a gallon of my veg food on it and let it be. It has been outside for about 6 weeks now, and today was the second time I checked on it. To my suprise, it was about 3.5-4 feet tall. I again soaked the soil around it with another gallon of my new nutrients(GH Flora Series). Growth is incredible when compared to my piss plant in my grow room still(indoor ones is about 16 inches tall). And it is completely healthy(healthier than my indoor). Here are some pics(words dont mean shit). Sorry they aren't my usual high quality. I took them with my cell phone(HTC Tilt). In the taller pic, you can see my white, standard sized gallon jug that you can kinda use as a scale refrence.

Keep in mind this plant has only been checked on twice in 6 weeks and as of today, has been fed twice. Another update in a few weeks(dont get out that way often) Next time I'll bring my camera for some good close-ups. Didnt this time because I figured it was dead, or at best, not picture worthy.


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    #252719 - 07/22/09 02:24 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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    #253044 - 07/23/09 12:20 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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    #253056 - 07/23/09 01:12 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Jeez, well I bet that outdoor one was a surprise to you! :awesome:


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    #253066 - 07/23/09 01:36 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

yeah. I am hoping for a good harvest now. Gotta split it with the wifes father though.


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    #255877 - 07/27/09 03:24 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Week 20 update


Another in a series of busy weeks in the grow room. I am setting all of my mothers up as hydro and half are already done. I used 2 gallon buckets i picked up in the local paint department, a 3.5 inch heavy duty net pot, and a 5 inch air disc. I just teed off of existing air lines for these pots. All 3 of the seedlings(Mango, Blue Mystic, Mazar) were given there own buckets, and then a very generous friend gave me 9 clones from his proven and amazing Blue Kush mother. I intend on keeping one as my mother and using 6 of the others for my next grow. I dont know if anyone has had the chance to smoke this shit, but it is amazing. I haven just discarded my Blue Kush bag seed plant, since it branches so well. Waiting to see how the sexing one goes. And my WW1&2 mothers are turning into full fledged trees. The WW3 clones are growing completely normal and at an alarming speed. The Hydro one is over double the size of the soil one, but both look fantastic, and were the only plants that were almost imune to the nutrient burn that all of the other plants suffered from. What good genetics(beat and starved its entire life, clones taken from half dead plant 3 weeks into flowering, and suffering through nutrient burn caused by water contamination) and it is still the best looking plant in the grow room.



The WW1&2 clones are now 8 weeks into flowering. They are still recovering from the nutrient burn, but bud growth is going well. They are geting more of a potent smell than the WW3 plant. Trichome growth is really taking off and the buds are getting frosty. The Piss and my Blue Kush are a week into sexing. The Kush has doubled in height over the last week. Really looking forward to this harvest and the next, since it is a shorter flowering time. Thanks for tuning in. Any questions, feel free to ask.


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    #259060 - 08/03/09 04:29 AM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Week 21 Update


We are now 21 weeks into this grow. All is going fairly well. Still trying to get the hang of these General Hydroponic nutrients. I diluted to quarter strength for the seedlings and clones and they were still getting burned. I diluted to about 1/8th strength and they seem to be doing better. All 3 seedlings now have roots hanging out of the net pots. The clones are all starting to root and the two in hydrotron have already rooted(I switch to hydrotron once roots make it out of the pot). Really waiting to get these Blue Kush plants into flower, because I love this herb and my buddy that gave them to me wants to see how they do in my hydro setup versus his soil-less mix.

The outdoor Piss Plant is doing great. Probly the best looking plant i have. It is about 5 feet tall now and is starting to show pistils. Really looking forward to this outdoor harvest. Cant wait to see the weight it puts on. It too is a good, fast flowering strain. It also has the biggest fan leaves I've ever seen. You can use the tomato cage as a refrence of its size.

The WW3 Mother in hydro is growing at a healthy and insane rate. It's leaves are getting huge. The color is also great but what I have come to expect from these dwc buckets. Cant wait to give this girl another shot. Wishing I had more flowering room. The Blue Kush and Piss clones are 2 weeks into sexing and still haven't shown positive signs of sex. The kush has already made it to the screen and the piss is only about 2 inches behind. Trying to figure out if I want to let them grow their full cycle or not. I will probly judge that on how big they get and how much of a pain it will be to work around then. If i had pulled the WW1 sexing clone I would have had 38.5 grams less of good chronic, so it makes me hesitant to pull these.

The WW1&2 clones are now 9 weeks into flowering. They are really starting to dense up nicely. I finally got a proper CO2 regulator order and the bottle filled again and am hoping it will be here Monday or Tuesday. Hoping this will dense them up even more. Trichome growth is fantastic. These buds look so white in person. The color doesn't seem to be coming back in the light's hot spot. But it doesn't seem like it is causing a problem. Im really excited thinking about my first real harvest coming up soon. My goal is to get 8 ounces out of these 5 plants. We'll have to see how close I get. I was originally hoping for more, but with the nutrient burn problems and lack of co2, I have adjusted my guess. Also, Unless WW2 is one of the best herbs I've smoked, it is loosing the phenotype war with its sisters. I already know that WW3 is fantastic all around(taste, weight, smell, potency) and so far WW1 in the Queen in the weight production and vigor. But I'll have a better idea in about a month.


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    #259100 - 08/03/09 12:35 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

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    #259146 - 08/03/09 03:17 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

More like SeaOfDonkeyDicks, or SODD, imo.


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    #259169 - 08/03/09 04:43 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

yeah, its still growing well even though it is extremely overgrown. but the buds along the outside of the screen are a bit smaller because they dont get much light. but they still look tasty.


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    #259648 - 08/04/09 05:33 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

Did the father-in-law know the piss plant was going to get that big? Or is he in for more than he bargained for at this point?


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    #259702 - 08/04/09 09:01 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

no he probly expected it to get bigger. The last one he had out back got to about 10ft tall and wast starting to show over the roof.


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    #259867 - 08/05/09 01:12 AM (10 years, 16 days ago)

That one still has plenty of stretch left in it I bet.


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    #259911 - 08/05/09 03:20 AM (10 years, 16 days ago)

I'm guessing that maybe another foot since pistils are starting to show.


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    #259923 - 08/05/09 04:11 AM (10 years, 16 days ago)

That outdoor plant?  Have you ever grown outside before bro?  They stretch more than indoors.  If that thing is 3 feet tall right now, you can expect about an 8-9 footer easily.  They usually about triple from the start of flowering until the 4th or 5th week when they cease vertical growth and begin packing on the flower weight.


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    #259928 - 08/05/09 04:54 AM (10 years, 16 days ago)

THis is my first outdoor plant. The last pic it was actually about 5 feet tall. So, expect a 15 footer?


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    #262424 - 08/09/09 11:37 PM (10 years, 11 days ago)

Doubt it but that would be pure outragiouse keep in mind more of the growth is gunna be outwards and not up if shes got good gens and a nice spot for sunlight


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    #262508 - 08/10/09 02:02 AM (10 years, 11 days ago)

Yeah, that was more of a sarcastic comment for Inverted, But no one ever checks back here.


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    #262576 - 08/10/09 05:53 AM (10 years, 11 days ago)

Week 22 Update

I thought I'd start this update out a little different than normal and give a walk-through of my grow room since I have not yet done it. Though people might want to see how a made good use of this unique layout. To start with, I have a split level house. You walk in the front door and there is a short set of stairs going up and a short set going down. If you walk down the stairs and turn to the left, you'll see 3 doors in a U shape.

Looking at the pic above, the door on the right is my utility room, strait in front goes out to the garage, and the door on the left is a small closet under the stairs going up. This closet is where all of my cable connections are and I have my modem and router set up in there giving my whole house hard-lined internet(great for xbox live and streaming HD video to all of the TVs). But in this closet, there is a small opening leading to a small crawlspace under the lower stairs. In here is where the magic happens.

Before we go in, here's an overlay of the floor plan.

As you enter the room you come into the Mother Area for WW3 and Blue Kush as well as where my nutrients are and I do all of my mixing here. I just installed this RO system in hopes of making sure the same problems I had with my water will not happen again.

As you look through to the seedlings in front of you you'll see a couple of branches poking out on the left. These are the WW1&2 mothers and my blue kush seed I got from a bag of dank grown from the blue kush mother and clones I now have. The best part about this area is that it is about 1.5feet taller than the rest of the grow area, which gives the mothers that much more to grow.

Now, on the other side of the wall is where my humidity dome and seedlings grow which is under the stairs themselves. Next to that in the same area is the veg tub for my clones. If you are sitting in front of the clone tub and look 90deg. to the right, you will see my flower room. Obviously everyone's favorite place.

And now time for the real update

We are now 22 weeks into this grow. The WW1&2 clones are now 10 weeks into flowering. The Blue Mystic, Mango, and Mazar seedlings are growing like crazy. They all have a decent amount or roots growing and are keeping on a fast pace despite the fact that they are recovering from a nutrient burn that was caused by possibly still contaminated water or me adding fulvic acid to my nutrient solution off of a recommendation from the guy at the grow store. what an ass, or he thought I was growing something else. I stopped adding it and changed the tubs and buckets and the burn seemed to stop. Didn't have the water fixed till today so I'm leaning more towards the folvic acid. All of the Blue kush clones have rooted and been transplanted into hydrotron. 1 imparticular is doing better than the others. The piss has rooted as well but only has 1 root visable and it shows(worst looking 1 in the tub).

The WW3 mother is still growing nuts. Color is good all over and all but the very bottom leaves are perky. The rootball is huge and takes up the entire bucket. Anxious to grow more of this, thinking about moving my mothers and turning my whole current area into a flowering room and seeing what LED's and a couple of UVB bulbs could do since I already know how my Son Agro did. The blue Kush that I originally picked as the mother is actually doing the best out of all of them, so no need to rearrange clones.

Now for the goods. The WW1&2 clones are now 10 weeks into flowering. I am hoping to harvest next weekend. Almost all of the trichomes are cloudy, a few clear, and no amber. The buds are getting even denser and frosty. Starting to look real good. At the moment, WW2 has a much better smell to me and has also suffer less from the nutrient burn, but still hasn't put on the weight that WW1 has. But it also seems to be a week or 2 behind WW1 as well, so we'll have to see. The Piss clone has clearly show it is a female and pistil grow is further than I expected at this amount of time(2 weeks I think). The Blue Kush bag seed hasn't shown any signs of sex but has grown much larger than the piss. But enough talking, for everyone's viewing pleasure, Integra's Widow Girls raw and uncut. Inappropriate for viewers under the age of 18!





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    #262594 - 08/10/09 09:27 AM (10 years, 11 days ago)

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    #262629 - 08/10/09 01:41 PM (10 years, 10 days ago)

very fuckin nice set up wish i had myself a little set up like that i will on my next grow prolly god that flowering room has to smell so wonderfull i would just sit in there all day :laugh:


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    #262631 - 08/10/09 01:45 PM (10 years, 10 days ago)

very fuckin nice set up wish i had myself a little set up like that i will on my next grow prolly god that flowering room has to smell so wonderfull i would just sit in there all day :laugh:


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    #262725 - 08/10/09 04:27 PM (10 years, 10 days ago)

Quality!  Thank you for sharing. :sun:

    Downright inspirational even. :biggrin:


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    #263506 - 08/11/09 08:32 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

Looks real nice, this is making me want to go the hydro route. Ok a couple of questions. How do you change the water in those tubs? What do you do for the smell and do your dogs have puppy sex?


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    #263566 - 08/11/09 10:42 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

well there was a man we called billy ray and he was the best grower i ever have seen and his trick was this special little filter he put in his flowering room and you couldnt smell a thing runs around 130$ he said so look in to it :P cuz if u dont have one everyone in the nabbor hood knows ur growin bad knews


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    #263594 - 08/11/09 11:27 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

i still love the doggies


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    #263673 - 08/12/09 01:52 AM (10 years, 9 days ago)

Dogs are fixed, and so far they dont bang. Changing the tubs is work. Me and a buddy tg team it. I hold up the lid which lifts the screen until the buds touch the light. He then slides the tub out and slides a new one in makig sure to get the air stones in. Then I just fill with food I premixed. As far as smell goes, an Ionic breeze in the roon and an ozone Jr outside and it seems to do the job. All depends on your strain. I'll be putting it to the test with the next set, because that Blue Kush smells super strong. Had a bag in the house and the woman thought it was my room.


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    #263675 - 08/12/09 02:05 AM (10 years, 9 days ago)

VERY SWEET SETUP! :billymaythumbup::billymaythumbup::billymaythumbup:

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    #263820 - 08/12/09 03:40 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

I wonder if its possible to build a reservoir that sits along side for an easier change. I have not seen a side by side reservoir picture yet.


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    #263831 - 08/12/09 03:58 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

That's like ideal... It seems as if the ceiling is pretty low in that crawl space? Also, I wish I had a set of dobermans. Always wanted some but the current yard is just too small.


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    #263900 - 08/12/09 05:17 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

I have a couple of ideas on making it easier when this set finished.. 1st is just adding a drain valve to the existing tubs and using an inline pump to drain and then just fill with gallons of food. and the other is trying to make a side resivor that works like the dog water bowls with the tank on top that always fill themselves. but I have a feeling that will be a lot of expierimenting to get that one right. and the Ceiling is only 3ft4in. tall. So yeah, not a lot of head room. Otherwise looking to build a recycling dwc setup with a main side resivor. but only time and money will tell.


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    #264299 - 08/13/09 12:55 AM (10 years, 8 days ago)

wow man fuckin go for it shit would be sick just becareful not to over do it man


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    #264651 - 08/13/09 07:33 PM (10 years, 7 days ago)

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    #266780 - 08/18/09 02:49 AM (10 years, 3 days ago)

Sorry Fella's, Cant finish the journal. Unable to upload pics again. Right now, the WW1&2 are 11 weeks into flowering. I just switched to strait water for flushing, and will be harvesting on thursday. I will post weight and smoke report a little later.


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    #266793 - 08/18/09 06:28 AM (10 years, 3 days ago)

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Wow man, great stuff. I hope my first set-up is half as good.


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    #266827 - 08/18/09 12:38 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

a lot of hard work and some(not a ton) of money and you'd be suprised what you can setup. Good luck with your first grow.


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    #271898 - 08/29/09 01:39 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Alright. Harvest is dry. Took 7 days at 70F with 40%rh. All are jaring now. I know the yield would have been better if I didnt have all the nutrient problems in the middle of flowering. But i still hold my head high with a respectable first grow.

White Widow Feminized
Flower time 11 weeks
430w Son Agro Air Cooled
5 gallon DWC tub with GH Flora Nutrients
Total Harvest Weight: 273 Grams(9.75oz.)






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    #271938 - 08/29/09 07:19 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Yay! You returned for an update? Any room left for some dried bud shots?


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    #272014 - 08/29/09 02:03 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, when I get a chance I'll throw some up, just with I could upload here because it's way higher quality.


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    #273269 - 08/31/09 03:31 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Delete some of your pictures from your gallery??? Who cares if they go missing from the journal


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    #273412 - 08/31/09 01:01 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I care. I worked very hard on this journal and want people to be able to use it as a refrence for scrog, dwc, and working with short grow rooms.


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    #284287 - 09/22/09 12:28 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

like 5 thumbs up dude, By FAR the best first time grow ive ever seen. Keep up the great work!


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    #284337 - 09/22/09 12:57 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I care. I worked very hard on this journal and want people to be able to use it as a refrence for scrog, dwc, and working with short grow rooms.




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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #284808 - 09/22/09 07:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I care. I worked very hard on this journal and want people to be able to use it as a refrence for scrog, dwc, and working with short grow rooms.




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yes it is what I am basing my up coming grow off of. I just need to know how to build the aeroponic grower.


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Ben18]
    #284812 - 09/22/09 07:50 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Mine isnt aero, just dwc. Much easier and cheaper to build and you dont need the water pumps. I can make a small tek in my journal if it will help. On that same note, if you need help replicating anything from this grow, I'd be happy to help. Anything you ask for, I will try to do my best to help. Really like seeing other people succeed too.


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    #284840 - 09/22/09 08:46 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

I would think something like that would be suitable for the grow room design forum.  But not too sure about that.  It would get more views over there.  Seems like a pretty simple set up.  KISS is always the way to go.  :thumbup:


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #284919 - 09/22/09 11:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Oh ok! thanks so much.

yeah I guess the main thing is how do I build a DWC like that set-up.

I also want to do scrog, I think I have a good handle on it.

Love this grow though, one of my favorites on the site.

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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Ben18]
    #285165 - 09/23/09 02:47 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, I got asked to put some finished bud shots up, so here they are. These are my white widows that have been curing for 4 weeks. They have an almost spicy floral smell and a taste i cant quite describe, but it is kinda musky and sweet with almost a zippy bite like a lemon head. It makes my tounge go numb first hit like nummise.


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #285202 - 09/23/09 03:48 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Ok. I have done a little tweaking to fight a spider mite problem. I Have added an extra humidifier to keep the rh@55%. I also dropped the temps down to about 72F. Did this because the mites best breeding enviroment is 80F and dry. Also finally fixed my RO purifier. Initial ppm is now under 10 instead of the previous 330. The Flower res stays at a constant 71F with between 800-1100ppm. These plants are hungry. Put 1200ppm mix in 2 days ago, and this morning it was at 450ppm. Added more nutrients to bring it up to 880ppm. The plants are growing fast and dont seem to show signs of slowing despite the mites. I have sprayed twice with a 1:3 alcohol:water mix and it seemed inaffective, so today I steped it up to Einstien Oil(neem oil) and gave the girls a thourough soaking. I hope this works, becasue i am quicly running out of days that I can get away with spraying, because as the buds grow, moisture will lead to mold problems. But as you can see in the pics, its a small infestation, barely noticable. No webs. Here are the pics.




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    #285203 - 09/23/09 03:48 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

:congrats:

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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Ben18]
    #285206 - 09/23/09 03:52 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, If it weren't for the damn mites, It would be going perfect. Always got to have some problem. I'm even more pissed because I just sprayed them, left for 5 mn, came back to check, and they're still crawling around. This Neem was supposed to kill on contact. WTF. It was the first time they were sprayed with this, so they shouldn't have built up an immunity.


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    #285264 - 09/23/09 07:58 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Fantastic grow, congrats on your harvest! :gethigh:


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #285293 - 09/23/09 08:33 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

That res seems pretty shallow.  I would love to see some more details on your DWC setup. Would you recommend a larger/deeper reservoir if the space constraints allowed for it? Is there anyway to clean/swap airstones once the plants are that size?


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    #285340 - 09/23/09 09:02 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Do you have any use for the roots?  Surely they could be used for something.  sadly, we don't have enough root porn on this site.


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    #287044 - 09/27/09 02:35 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Hey Integra thanks for posting the pics. I appreciate it. Ill def be using this technique with a few minor adjustments on my first grow and we will see how it turns out. :happyweed:


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #287099 - 09/27/09 12:02 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Mites can be a total pain in the ass.  You need to launch a full on attack now before things get out of control, as there is a certain point where their population will just totally explode.  Pyrethrin based miticides work well and are low enough in toxicity that they are suitable for indoor environments and early flowering.




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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: geokills]
    #287165 - 09/27/09 02:09 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks Geo. I have already sprayed twice 3 days apart with a 1:3 alcohol:water mix. Waited 2 more days and Sprayed every thing down with Einstien Oil(neem oil), and It has been a couple of days again. They are still there. Going try one more spray later today, and if that fails, I'll move onto the leaf wiping. If that fails, I'm going to try some predator mites. Found some good ones the feed on mites, larva and eggs, and after they're gone, will get all Hanibal Lectar on themselves. I appreciate the help Geo. I had never thought of wiping. Now I have something to fight them well into flower when the spraying must stop.


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    #287611 - 09/28/09 12:09 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Integra21.....I honestly thought I was gonna get a nut looking through this thread

You are the MAN

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    #287816 - 09/28/09 03:13 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks niteowl. Glad you enjoyed it. I know I sure have.


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    #288115 - 09/29/09 02:03 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

This is my outdoor Piss plant. I planted it in early June after growing from bagseed indoors for a month.I fed it about once a month with my GH Flora nutrients with molasses. The plant has a very strong odor that can be smelled 15 feet away. I will be harvesting it next weekend. Here are the pics. I figured I'd put a lot up since it was the last pre-harvest update and a day later than I said It would be.







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    #288191 - 09/29/09 07:45 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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    #288481 - 09/29/09 06:55 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks bro. Preliminary smoke report is great. I cut a small nug off of a bottom branch and dehydrated it for 24hrs. at 105F. I know this isn't how you're supposed to dry and cure bud, but it is the best method I have found for next day tests before harvest, because I believe you should always test it before you cut it. But even dehydrated it has a very strong couchlock with an almost equally soaring head high. Taste and smell are a incredible strong musky floral bite to it even with no curing. I have to imagine this shit will be amazing with this final week of growth and proper drying and curing.


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    #288580 - 09/29/09 09:47 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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Thanks bro. Preliminary smoke report is great. I cut a small nug off of a bottom branch and dehydrated it for 24hrs. at 105F. I know this isn't how you're supposed to dry and cure bud, but it is the best method I have found for next day tests before harvest, because I believe you should always test it before you cut it. But even dehydrated it has a very strong couchlock with an almost equally soaring head high. Taste and smell are a incredible strong musky floral bite to it even with no curing. I have to imagine this shit will be amazing with this final week of growth and proper drying and curing.



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    #290901 - 10/03/09 02:10 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

A harvest update on my outdoor Piss plant. I cut and trimmed it and made canna butter from the trim. I tried a new way of making it(unless someone already has, which im sure of). To start, I took my crock pot and filled it with about 10 cups of hot water. Then I placed in 6 sticks of butter and let them melt down for about 10min.  Then I placed about 3 styrofaom plates full of trim into the pot. I took siscorrs and randomly chopped the trim so the mixer wouldnt get clogged. Then I took out a standard 2 paddle hand mixer and ran it through the mix thouroughly for about 10min. I left the crock pot on high for about 30 min and then came back and mixed again for about 20min. I repeated this process 2 more times, for a total of 4 and then drained through a strainer lined with cheese cloth into a large bowl. Let it sit out for about 3 hours to cool to room temp, and then placed in the fridge. After an overnight stay there, removed butter from the top of the bowl and pressed into a standard butter container. Tomorrow I will be using the butter to make rice crispy treats and brownies. I will let you know how they turn out. Anyways, here's the pics:



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    #290905 - 10/03/09 02:25 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

yikes!  what's that on the bud in the second to last pic.  is that bud mold?  Looks like a heafty harvest of great buds!


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    #290911 - 10/03/09 02:28 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

No, I dont think it's bud mold, but possible. I did the harvest today out in the rain, since it's supposed to rain for the next 3 days. So the pistils just look a little soggy and dark making it look weird in places. I am allergic to mold and can smell it from a mild away and these only smelled like dank ass bud. So I think I'm safe.


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    #290926 - 10/03/09 04:15 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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    #291449 - 10/04/09 12:16 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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    #291513 - 10/04/09 02:14 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

outdoors when small and simple can be great if you like no work growing. Grew this on the side of a garage. Just a bagseed of a local strain that i germinated inside for about a month and moved directly outside, no transitional period. I planted it in the beginning of June with no soil prep, on the side of the garage. Only what was in its .5 gallon pot got put into the ground. I fed it twice in veg in 2-3 week intervals, and when pistils began to show, I used the same feeding schedule from veg with bloom nutrients. I watered it 3 times during the last 2 weeks with molasses water(1gal) and harvested on the 3rd for a total grow time of 5 months(1 inside,4 out). Weather was a good factor for my good outcome, but a couple of waterings here or there wouldn't have made it that much harder. I spent more time trimming than tending to the plant, so I think I might make a habit of my micro outdoor grow. Will have final weight in a week or 2. My guess is around 8oz.


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #294691 - 10/10/09 12:44 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Ok. Quick update. I had tested the Foxfarm Organic lineup over the last week or so on a couple of my mothers. They seemed to have no problem with it or the mix strength. I am using Foxfarm Grow Big Hydro, Big Bloom, and Tiger Bloom at full strength then adding 1tbl per 5gal of Technafloras Thrive Alive(green) Organic, and 2tbl per 5gal of organic blackstrap molasses. At full strenth my ppm's are between 1050-1100. Does anyone know of a good organic Bloom booster and cal/mag? Also, how fast does other dwc growers ppm's drop 12 hrs after a res change. Mine went from 1050 to 810 in under 12 hrs. The Blue Kush is doing well, but not great. These spider mites have proven to be quite a pain in the ass. I started with 3:1 water:alcohol mix and then bumped it up to Einstien Oil(neem ol) and spray every 3 days. I also Keep the temps in the mid to low 70's with rh at 55% to try to control/exterminate them but it seems like they just keep getting worse. It has shown it's damage in the growth speed and vigor of these plants. The worst damaged girls are on average of 4-6 inches shorter than the rest. On a more positive side, they are still growing and fairly healthy and are even starting to frost up. Any help with the above questions is appreciated and I hope everyone is still enjoying this grow.




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    #296266 - 10/13/09 03:00 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Ok. Now I started with 37 grams of molded buds. I mixed a few things together that I found and put together this solution. I started with the idea of blender hash demonstrated by the trailer park boys. The did their method dry.


I took the bud and placed it in my blender and then put it in the freezer for 30min.

After that, I added about a quart of ice and a quart of water and pulse blended for 10 min

I then poured it out into a big bowl. It was a little foamy.

I then skimmed off all of the floating plantmater with a spatula.

After most of the floating mater was seperated, I poured it through a fine mesh strainer. I then let it sit for about an hour. After it sat, I used a 30cc nutrient syringe to syphon water out of the bowl till it was almost all gone. Then I poured what was remaining onto a dinner plate and set it on my taoster oven for a couple of hours.

I let it sit out and dry over night. Then mashed into a ball, wraped in cling wrap, and stepped on it to press it. When all was said and done, I got 9.9 grams of some good smelling and smoking hash.


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    #296561 - 10/13/09 03:26 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

God would I ever love to have you as my source lmfao. You obviously have a great deal of knowledge man, this is a wickid grow. +9999 props to you, especially for a first.


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    #296674 - 10/13/09 08:40 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks. The few people I supply really like the supply. From looking around, I realize how lucky I was on this first run of mine. Glad you're enjoying the show, much more to come. Working on drawing upgrading my room to be even more efficien in the near future, but more on that later.


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #296754 - 10/13/09 11:25 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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I realize how lucky I was on this first run of mine



lucky? thats an understatement,, this being your first grow, youve got a goddamn horshoe up your ass........this thread is epic......
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    #296817 - 10/14/09 12:22 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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lucky? thats an understatement,, this being your first grow, youve got a goddamn horshoe up your ass........this thread is epic......
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    #296861 - 10/14/09 01:03 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

thanks guys. I'm cooking up the plans to make it even better. Only time will tell how good it can get.


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    #296873 - 10/14/09 01:33 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

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    #296957 - 10/14/09 06:33 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

what are the plans to make it even better?


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    #297042 - 10/14/09 01:31 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

They involve moving my veg area to another closet, adding a 600w light, An attempt at a home made cheap res chiller, upgrading to a hydrogen water cooled co2 gennerator, and running a couple of strains at the same time, along with an ac for the room and adding an environmental and co2 controller.


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    #297087 - 10/14/09 03:48 PM (9 years, 10 months ago)

WOW. Now thats "balls out"


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    #301787 - 10/22/09 02:10 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Ok. I'll start with the grusome pics and then fill you in on all of the details.



As you can see my plants pretty much just up and died over nite. It is my best guess that adding the General Hydroponics new General Organgics Boi Root and Calmag to my Fox Farm Lineup caused some sort of chemical reaction. I always test new nutrients on unimportant plants, but thought it was unnessisary for adding calmag and a root booster. What a mistake. The day before yesterday, I did a res change. When I woke up yesterday the plants looked mostly fine, but a little saggy. Had a high ph, but this usually happens to me the next day after a res change. Went on about my business. Came back about 6 hours later, and it pretty much looked like it does in the pics. I paniced and tried to do the only thing I could think of. I mixed up a batch of ro and h202 and changed to that. Let it sit for about 2 hours, and then did another change to strait water to flush h202 out, since I grow in organic. Then mixed up a batch of new nutrients minus the Bio Root and Calmag. Let it sit over night, and took these pics when I got up. I dont think they're comming back from this. I have never seen plants look this bad.

If someone things they will recover, Speak up. Otherwise I am starting the hacking here in a little while.

But all is not lost. I have 2 clones that were sexing next to the other plants that just happened to both be female. ! is my mango and the other my Blue Mystic. I also Have a Mango clone ready to flower on the side that is almost 3 feet tall and would fill out most of my screen. Looking to get those in today, unless anyone thinks I should wait out the Kush plants another day or 2 and see if they recover.


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #301846 - 10/22/09 04:21 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Well, they have been officially chopped down. Working on cleaning the tub and moving my 2 Mango and 1 Blue Mystic in there. I will post a pic update when I finish. I'm trying to make the best of this unforeseen mishap. Hope this serves as a caution for anyone trying new nutrients. Always test them out before you introduce them to your main grow or the results can be catastrophic. Even if it is just small adatives.  Back to the ole drawing board. I'm really dissappointed though, I wanted a nice pile of this kush, and now I'll have to wait.


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    #301954 - 10/22/09 08:11 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Another full day of work. I cut down all of my Blue Kush Clones. Cleaned the room out and gave the tub a good scrub. I added a second t-valve to the opposite side of the tub so I could hook the pump I use to drain it up and circulate the nutrients so they dont settle. This actually makes a pretty sturdy current in the tub since it is a 350gph pump. I had my Blue Mystic and Mango clones sexing under a cfl. I lollied them a week ago. I also had a 3 foot Mango clone just vegging in my clone tub. I went back to My foxfarm mix without the Bio Root and Calmag and I'll leave it at that for the rest of the grow. I worke the tall Mango into the screen and am curious to see how big it gets since I have never flowered a plant this big in my grow room. Not to worried about the other 2 small ones since they only need 1 screen slot per plant. I have half of my new veg room built and will have a pic update of that soon in the next few days. I was hoping to finish it today, but with redoing the hole flower room, i just couldnt find the time. Here's the Pics....





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    #302112 - 10/23/09 12:10 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Aw man that sucks :shake:

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    #302120 - 10/23/09 12:15 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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    #302121 - 10/23/09 12:16 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I'm just glad I had some backup plants. I even lucked out with the small ones. They are only a week behind from the ones I cut down.


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    #302213 - 10/23/09 01:23 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I took some more pics with the lights off. It will be interesting the next few weeks to see how big the big one gets. To top it off I'm going out of town next week, so the person watching my room will actually have to do some screen training. I still am trying to figure out what the next batch will be. I'm thinking I might give the kush another go, just because I really like that herb. I've heard good things about mango, but have never smoked it. This will be my first fruit variety.
 


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    #308204 - 11/02/09 11:24 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Alright guys, I'm back. I must say my room did well while I was gone. Pistils are showing on the mango already. On the sexing clone it took 3 weeks, but with this plant, only a week and a half. I was impressed and assume its from the plant being more mature than the barely rooted clone. My traveling marijuana adventure worked like a charm. So lets lay out what I did and why...
To start, nobody wants to try to bring herb on a plane. It's never a good Idea. I did some looking around and it seemed like the best answer was to mail it. I went with the USPS becase their packages are protected by federal law and cannot be opened without a search warrant with the exception of the recipiant. When you sign ate UPS, FedEx, ect. that signiture says that can open your package for any reason at any time if they feel like it. Not saying you cant send things through them, but thats why I didnt. Next, I took what I thought I would need for 5 days worth of herb and ground it up in my grinder. I then used a simple pocket rolling machine and rooled 5 joints. I had no intention of smoking jays, but it was the backup plan incase I couldnt find a pipe down in sunny Florida. I then placed the jays in a siplock sandwich bag, and then into another bag until they were sealed in 4 bags, which seemed to stop the smell from seaping out. I then placed the bag in the middle of a Maxum Issuse I had laying around. Then cling wrapped the magazine pretty thourghly and maked it with a Sharpie so I wold know if it was tampered with during transit. Then I placed it in a USPS Express next day air document envelope and sent it the day before I left so that I knew exactly when it would arrive. On a side note, you should be prepared with a bougus return address because on next day air they make you put one on the package and if you dont or refuse to it may raise suspicion. I used the local bong shops address as kind of a joke in case they decided to try to track the oragins. I wouldnt recommend a "fake" address since they are the post office and if it isnt a real address, they might become suspicious. So with all of that out of the way, when I dropped it off, they said it would be there between 3-5pm the next day. I hopped on my plane and checked into the hotel upon arrival, but had gotten there at 12pm. I was a little nervous, but I go bact to check with the desk at 4pm, and they had a package waiting for me. Brought it back to the room and all of the contents arrived untouched and I was set with my herb supply for the week. This isnt a 100% gaurunteed method, but it seems like 9/10 time your stuff will show up without any problems. I hope this helps any other traveling smokers in the future. It certainly helped me.


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    #308368 - 11/02/09 07:27 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I just put it in my pocket like any other day. 

Never had a problem once, even on international flights.

I always bring at least 1/8 in my pocket and another one underneath the stick of deodorant.  You raise it up all the way, take the stick out, put the bud in there (in a bag of course), roll it back down a little bit, stick back in, roll all the way down and put the cap on, looks and works like a normal stick of deod. but your 1/8 is sitting right under the chunk...  It must be a fairly used stick otherwise there won't be enough room.


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Inverted]
    #309723 - 11/04/09 01:42 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Update:
    Flowering: Day 12
    Temps:      80F
    PPM's:      1100
    Res Temp: 78F
    PH:            6.0

OK. The new plant is doing well. I have never personally seen a plant flower so fast. I have buds forming, not just a couple of pisltils since day 8 for 12/12. I credit the 1.5 month veg time for this since the clone I sexed of my mango took 3 weeks to show pistils. There is a slight nutrient burn showing on the tips of the leaves, but nothing I'm to concerned with. This was from switching the plant from a faily light ved ppm of 600 to a full strenght flower ppm of 1200. I expect it to fade off as the flowering continues. If it doesnt, I will lower the ppms closer to 1000. The spider mites are still making their presencre know and I will be sparying again today. Little bastards are hard to get rid of, but I have successfully removed them from my Piss clone and will be cutting clones to regrow my mothers today and save myself the headache of trying to treat full size plants. These new mite free clones will be moved to my new veg room. More pics of that later today. It is still not done since I am wating on a 400w MH to put in there for the mothers once they mature, but it is fully ready for them at this point. Once this Mango finishes I will be tearing down the whole flowering room and reconfiguring it for 2 of my screen setups with a bleach wipe down and bug bomb preceeding that. Not a huge pic update since there isnt to much to look at yet, but more as the situation changes.



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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #310109 - 11/05/09 02:07 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Damn man im sorry about your loss. But is seem your making a fast comeback.. Im pullin up a chair for this one.


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    #310243 - 11/05/09 12:19 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Lets just hope this one stays doing better than the last ones. Thanks for stopping by, and I hope you enjoy the show.


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    #310491 - 11/05/09 08:29 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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    #310516 - 11/05/09 08:59 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Seriously man you have the best grow log going on this site currently IMO!  Very well put together.


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    #310902 - 11/06/09 03:20 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks guys. It will be getting into greater detail again once i finish the new build and get the new equipment.


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    #314502 - 11/12/09 03:47 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Update: Day 21(week 3)
    PH:5.92
    PPM:1050
    Res Temp: 77F
    Rm Temp: 79F
    Humidity: 48%

Things are coming along well. It appears I have a slight N deficiency as well as Cal. I have added more to the nutrients when I changed the tub today. This is still the fastest I've ever seen my girls flower. This is usually what they look like at 5 weeks. I also added a 26w 10.0 UVB bulb above one section of the plant. I am hoping to see a noticeable increase in trichome production in this area. I have pretty high hopes since all high uv grows I've seen look frosty as hell.  I cut a bunch of clones last night to re-grow my mothers in a spider mite free environment since it is too hard to try to get rid of them on full sized plants. I will try to put pics up of the new veg room tomorrow.  Its still missing the 400w for my mothers when they're bigger, but hopefully I'll get that soon. If you have any questions or comments, feel free to leave them. Now...on with the bud porn!





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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #315555 - 11/14/09 08:31 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry to see your poor Blue Kush plants meet their untimely demise... but glad you had backups! :biggrin:

I've always been a little weary of hydro systems due to their seemingly high sensitivity to any changes in the nutrient solution.  Then again, I have no direct experience with hydro.  Can you comment on past soil grows, and what ultimately convinced you to go full bore with the hydro system?


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    #315586 - 11/14/09 09:36 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

This was his first grow and he dove in head first to the hydro scene.

Read the thread title GEO!!!

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    #315854 - 11/15/09 12:23 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

:foreheadslap:  Whoops!

Although, his first post does show some soil containers!!

Perhaps he has used soil / hydro for growing plants other than marijuana?

I'm just fishing for more info, as my ladyfriend built an ebb and flow system but has yet to put it to any practical use.


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    #315863 - 11/15/09 12:54 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

O/T:

She already is! :loveeyes:

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i know who she is.  Not many people get a supporter account the day they reg.  :tongue:


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    #315881 - 11/15/09 01:25 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

To clear everything up, technically I'm on my 3rd grow. First was my white widow, did 6 plants in my custom dwc tub and 1 plant in soil. The soil one had all kinds of problems, but turned out great in the end. But I went and stuck with the hydro because it was easier for me with my height limits, my plants overall were much healthier in hydro, and I didnt want to deal with always lugging dirt in and out. Now after harvest, I just have one garbage bag of roots, one of all the stems, and about a gallon of hydrotron to wash for the next run. I really just love the simplicity. Then my second grow was the blue kush which made it to 5 weeks flower but was showing a cal deficiency, so without testing to make sure it worked fine, added it to my nutrient soup, and that pretty much killed anything that toughed it within 24hrs. So scrapped and cut it all done, since it seemed like if it did recover, it still would have yielded garbage. Then started the Thirrd one up with an extra large mango clone I was about to cut down before the shit hit the fan.


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    #315888 - 11/15/09 01:38 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I forgot to mention that i did really enjoy my soil plant. The taste and smell was initially worse, but after 3 weeks curing was much better than the hydro ones. I was using chemical nutrients until midway through the Blue Kush set, but then switched to organics to see If I could get that better taste and smell from hydro.


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #317253 - 11/17/09 02:16 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Update Day 26
    Ph: 5.96
    PPMs: 1050
    Temp: 79F
    ResTmp:77F
    RH: 45%

I am now 26 days into flower and things are going well. The spider mites are still there and are semi under control. Still having problems getting the N dialed in right as you can see by the lighter green lower leaves. It is improving, but not like I'd like it to. My ph has been really cooperative over the last several weeks and I felt I needed to note that. Where ever I set it, it barely moves over several days. going from 5.95 to about 6.0 takes about 4 days. One thing I wonder about though is I usually have 5 more plants going and my ppms drop like mad. I would put 1100 ppm nutrients in and 2 days later, it would be below 800. now I put my nutrients at 1050 and they slowly climb. Is this a problem? Last res started out at 1050 and after a week made it up to 1200. I am starting to see a difference emerging from the uvb bulb. The ones directly under it are considerably further along in trichome production. Its not the they are more dense, but more so, the coverage is greater. More trichs on the fanleaves and to the tips of the smaller leaves. i actually took the time to crop these pics so you could see the trichs. So, On with the pics.





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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #317550 - 11/17/09 08:24 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Lookin' pretty good.  With no direct hydro experience, it still seems an odd note on the increased PPM's over time. :confused:

On the next update, would you be so kind as to label two different shots; one from a cola directly under the UV and another from a cola that is away from the UV (but still receiving similar levels of HPS light) ?


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #317558 - 11/17/09 08:40 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

are you topping of your res consistently calculated from what your ppms tested as?


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: geokills]
    #317559 - 11/17/09 08:42 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Not a problem at all. On this first pic here it is under the uvb.

you notice there is a lot of trichs covering the bud leaves but also popping up on the fan leaves.

then this pic also has good trichs, but more concentrated centrally with the tips bare.

These are not the best comparison shots, but you can see what I'm saying much better on the originals then these resized ones. this trend will hopefully continue and will become more obvious in the next few weeks. Its hard to say if the bulb is effecting the other ones as well, but because I dont know that the range in on one of these and the furthest bud is only about 2 feet away.


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #317561 - 11/17/09 08:46 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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are you topping of your res consistently calculated from what your ppms tested as?



I fill the res daily with ro water(7ppm) and check the ppms about an hour later. I have a fairly large pump circulating the nutrients in the res so it gets mixed quickly. And with adding no nutrients and always topping off to the same level, my ppm's raise 20-30 per day, for around a 100ppm increase every 4 days or so. I thought it might be bennificial microbes multiplying simply because it seems the longer its been since res change, the faster it seems to climb.


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    #317566 - 11/17/09 08:52 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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I fill the res daily with ro water(7ppm) and check the ppms about an hour later.



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    #317611 - 11/17/09 11:32 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Water ran through my reverse osmosis filter. Going into the filter, I have a base ppm of 330. After the ro filter, the ppm of my water is around 7. ppm=parts per million

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    #317622 - 11/17/09 11:48 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Those are some damn fine pics Integra!  Not sure which one to nominate. 

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I fill the res daily with ro water(7ppm) and check the ppms about an hour later.



"ro water (7 ppms)"??




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    #317696 - 11/18/09 12:12 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

oh ok, i didnt know you were using reverse osmosis....
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for around a 100ppm increase every 4 days or so




that isnt too bad
but if it gets too high just use more plain water even if you have to lower the solution in your res to be able to fill it up with the water to lower the PPM.


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    #317737 - 11/18/09 01:29 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

and thats what I have been doing to maintain my ppm, but does anyone know why it keeps climbing?


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #317752 - 11/18/09 02:05 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

well plants use more water than nutes most of the time thats why you have to add water to keep the nute concentration from getting too strong, but im not exactley sure what other kind of biological thing could possibly be going on but if you are correcting it consistenly and topping off it shouldnt be steadily rising all the time.(how often are you?)

are you still using BC nutes?
because ive had great results with them, no problems?

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    #318234 - 11/18/09 11:54 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

No, Here's my nutrient lineup.

and the ppm's continue to rise with the water level maintained. Up 20ppm since yesterday.


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    #318238 - 11/18/09 11:59 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

hmm, ok well then just dont let it get too high, like i said even if you have to drain a little out of the res the be able to fit some plain water in there to dilute the solution a little to make up for the ppm rise.


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    #321088 - 11/24/09 04:32 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Update: Day 30(1month)
  PH: 6.01
  PPM's: 1130
  ResTmp: 78F
  RmTmp: 80F
  Humidity: 40%

Been another good week for the Mango. Starting to bulk up nicely and getting frosty as hell. I changed the res last night, and for the first time the ppms dropped over night instead of raising. Went from 1130 down to 880. Pretty significant drop for a single plant in 12 hrs. Thats the kind of drop I'm used to with 6 plants in the tub. As a result the ph went a little out of control on the high side. When I woke up it was at 7.14, but I corrected it back down to 6.01 over a 4 our period, adding a little down every 30min or so. They are starting to get a little stink to them, but nothing crazy. I haven;t had really strong smell since I started and I credit that to the hydro setup. My buddy grows a lot of the same strains in soil and his shit smells like 10x stronger. Some would argue that's better, but for steathness, its would be nothing but harmful. I dont want people to read this and get the wrong idea. My herb smells srtong and fantastic, but you actually have to smell it. His you can smell through the jar, but I see that as a problem. But enough talking and on with the pics, any uestions or comments, feel free.






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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #321355 - 11/25/09 04:01 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Ok. This is a quoted question and answer from the other site where I post and thought it should be included in the journal here.....

[QUOTE=Lexodus;3440715]lol...this is the first and only thread i have opened since being on this site, and this happens to be my 1st post on the site as well.

integra- thanks so much for taking the time and effort to make this thread!!

i have just read through all 30 pages..
sux that you lost that crop man, huge bummer, but learned experience nonetheless

i have some VERY general questions if you dont mind taking the time to answer...
-how much do you estimate you have spent on all your equipment and nutes for this grow op?
-do you have a couple buddies that are helping you with the layout and construction??
-how long did it take you to set up your 'room'?
-on average, how much time do you spend tending to your plants and operation?


thanks again for the info and the time spent.[/QUOTE]

Hi there, and thanks for stopping by.  Never mind answering questions so here we go...

1st I shopped around and got great prices and also didnt have to pay for my first genetics(White Widow) so the first run cost about $1200.00usd.

2nd I had no help with the design or construction on this entire build except for hanging mylar&poly. I had one friend that grows in soil give me 3 WW seedlings and a 100w Metal Halide light. Put them in the crawl space and started researching various places like Jorge Cervantes and Greg Greens Grow Bibles and started reading on forums just like this. Kinda mixed the best of all that would work in my area into a little room. Building and improving as I went along.

3rd It has obviously been changed around alot over the 9 months I have been doing this and will still change dramatically in the near future. The initial setup took about 3 hours. I started by using insulating foam to seal all of the corners of the room. took 2 cans($10). Used a 10'x10" sheet of blk/wht poly($12) to cover the floor. Then used 1mil Mylar($50) on the walls and ceiling that I hung with a staple gun. Once they were all mounted used a couple of rolls of duct tape($15) to tape all of the seams(floors, corners, ceiling). Then moved on to hanging the 100w mh(free) which you can pick up at home depot for $70. After the light was hung, set up the plants underneath and made a trip to the local grow store and picked up the Technaflora Recipe for Succes kit($33) and put it to use using the mix at 25%&50%. Initial setup complete. After that it was all spread out with a couple of hours here and there making hydro tubs(($195for3GH Airpumps, $30 airstones, $10 airlines+fittings, $15 tubs, $20 hydrotron+3.5"net pots) and then adding the flower room($260 400w light+lumatek ballast+2bulbsmh&hps, $25 Scrog Screen,  $20oscillating fan, $30 cool mist humidifier, $12 Thermometer/humidity, $90 Hanna PH pen, $40 squirel cage fan)

4th I spend about 10-20min at a time in there 3-5 times a day, but that much is not nessasary. 5 minutes 3 times a day is doable with one day spending 30min changing tubs and res. but harvest time has been at least a full 8hrs both times with cutting, trimming, hanging, and butter making.

Here's a couple of pics showing the rooms progression:







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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #331569 - 12/15/09 01:37 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Ok guy, sorry it has been a little since the last update. I've been busy designing and building a grow room for a buddy. On top of that I been working on the setup for my new flower room and basically did the same for my new veg room including finishing the build minus moving my 400w light room up there for my  mothers. I will go into details on those in just a sec. The mango is 51 days into flower and doing well minus the spider mite damage thay are enduring. Sadly I didnt get to take very many pics, but here's a teaser of the update that will hopefully be up tomorrow.


So, well start next with my buddys room. He has an unfinished basement in less that ideal condition. We started by building a 1/2" pvc frame that was 12'wx6'dx5.5'h. We wrapped it with panda film and taped all the seams on both sides with white duct tape, going for a sealed room that will be co2 enriched shortly. Total tent cost $120. Then we hung his light, a 600w lumatek with a xtrasun reflector($270). We hung everything using screw in hooks($7). After the light was hung, we ran 6" insulated flex duct($35) from outside to the light, from the light to an 8" duct booster(free) and then out the other side of the tent. Where you see the lines holding up the duct on the left half is where the other 600w light will also go shortly. We attached all ducts with clamps and then wrapped in white duct tape($20). For looks and reflectiveness we also wrapped the duct work with panda film white side out(free). Next we made a 4'x4' scrog screen out of left over pvc and wire fencing I had laying around(free) and hung it below the light. We  then built the dwc tub($200), and placed it under the screen. The tub in the pics was actually changed out tonight for a better one after I took the pics because when I got there, saw how much the sides were flexing outword, and said we had to fix that today. the new tub is slightly smaller and much sturdier($10). The tub is set for 6 plants, but I having him run only 4 for his first run.  It is a 17gal hevy duty tub with six 5.5" air discs running off of 2 GH dual Diaphram air pumps. After all of this was in place, we ran the electrical, we had an outlet to run an extention cord to power the lights and fans, but had to add a seperate outlet on it's own breaker for the portable a/c. We simply added a box to the side of the breaker box and put it on its own 20a breaker in an empty slot. Once the power was up, pluged in all the fans and light and tested to make sure they were all working properly and wouldnt trip the breaker. Then we setup the portable a/c and ran the ducts so it wouldnt use room air to cool the compressor and the room would remain sealed for the co2. then were filled the tub and mixed 1/4 strenght nutrients(technaflora set) and dropped in 4 blue kush clones I cut 2 weeks ago. They are currently under a 600w plantmax mh conversion bulb to veg for 3 weeks and then we are switching it out for a hornilux eye enhanced spectrum bulb similar to a Son Agro. The roots are starting to get into their growth groove and I hoping to give you guys good updates on this in the near future. If you have any questions or want more details on the build, feel free to ask. I didnt want to ramble too much. With that being said, here's the pics...I also forgot to mention this whole room is hidden by a wall of cardboard boxes, not the best camo, not my idea either, but definetly better than nothing.





When I wasn;t there working, I was up in my closet, building my veg room. I also made a 3/4"pvc frame and wrapped it in panda film. 6'Wx5'Dx8'H. I used pvc and the old shelves out of the back of the closed to make a table. It stands 3' tall. I plan to use the top for my 6 mothers I am regrowing, and set up for triple clone tubs underneath. When I get my new lights for my flower room, I will be moving that 400w light up top for the mothers. The clones have a 100w mh, and 4 43w 6500k cfl's. At the moment, the room is mite free and has my newly grown Piss mom ready to move to the top shelf. Over the next few weeks I will be germinating new Mango, Blue Mystic, and Mazar moms since I lost them all to mites and the clones died in my first ever organic cloning attempt. I will also be moving my Blue Kush clones up there shortly once I have confirmed they are spider mite free. Here are finally some pics that I promised forever ago....
 



If you have any questions or comments reguarding this build or growing in general, feel free to ask. I try to to every thing I can to help others and spread the joy of growing. Hope you all enjoyed this update, and there will be another tomorrow with an actual flower update.


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    #331595 - 12/15/09 03:41 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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    #331626 - 12/15/09 05:19 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks, I'd like to think I;m starting to get good at setting these rooms up. but there's always room for improvement.


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    #331629 - 12/15/09 05:28 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Looks great to me, whatever get's the job done discreetly and efficiently in given situation is all that matters.  I wish I could set up but I gotta wait.  Wish someone would share some seeds with good genetics or clones with me, then I'd probaly just say f-it, hahaha.


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: phantom]
    #331689 - 12/15/09 11:39 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I like the layout of the new grow rooms!


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    #331724 - 12/15/09 01:30 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks guys. I cant wait to get the second half of the 600w room setup because it will basically be a taller version of what my new flower room will be.


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #332546 - 12/17/09 01:04 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Mango Day 54
  Ph    5.87
  ppm 915
restemp 74F
RmTemp 75F
  RH  30%

Ok were 54 days into flower. Almost all of the fan leaves have been lost to spider mites but the buds are still doing very well. I'd guess there's about a week or two left till harvest. Trichomes are going nuts and this stuff is super sticky, Despite this there is almost no smell in the grow room unless I shake the scroon. The old trend has continued where the ppms dont drop at all, but it still seems to like its envorinment. The mites are starting to worry me a bit more than normat since they have started eating on the bud leaves. I may harvest early if the damage increases much more. I dont really plan on giving any of this mite ridden Mango to any friends just cause it dont seem right. I have already cut a couple of samples and dehydrated them so I could see if the little basterds affect the smoke and it was fairly typical for weed cut and dried this way. The only real difference from when I did this with the widow, is even not flushed and dehydrated it had a citris tastes and an even stronger fruity after taste. almost sour. When I flush, I will use molasses water for the first 3 days and ro water for the last 4. and now onto the bud porn...







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    #332604 - 12/17/09 04:19 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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    #332751 - 12/17/09 01:42 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

It's not just the camera, has a whole lot to do with the guy behind the camera. and the last couple of close-ups were taken through a magnifying glass., not an easy task to get in focus.


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    #332883 - 12/17/09 05:45 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

sick!! didnt know u could even do that!


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    #332957 - 12/17/09 08:35 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

It's not easy, I took about 30 and ended up with 3 good ones. I just like trying to let people see the trichs around harvest time, helps give people a better idea of what to look for in theirs.


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    #332961 - 12/17/09 08:36 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

the camera I use is a 8mp sony cybershot that is 3 years old. Was higher end when we bought it, but not as good as what is out now a days.


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    #333838 - 12/20/09 03:06 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

:eek: Holy hell!  Those are some really sweet looking treats there.  1 word = Trichromes


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    #333873 - 12/20/09 04:43 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

thanks, i give credit for those trichs to my son agro bulb, since mine have always been really frosty with it, good genetics, this sit was frosty 3 weeks into flower, and the 10.0uvb cfl I added as supplimental lighting.


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    #333889 - 12/20/09 10:14 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Very nice.  Those are starting to look pretty close to done.  I have that same bulb.  I'm looking forward to see what it can do first hand.


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    #333904 - 12/20/09 11:52 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)



Where did you get that wall mounted fan?  I've been looking for one in that size and haven't been able to find it.


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Where did you get that wall mounted fan?  I've been looking for one in that size and haven't been able to find it.




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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Inverted]
    #333939 - 12/20/09 02:01 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.rvfgardensupply.com/cgi/search.cgi?terms=Fan&category=Search+Results&boolean=AND&next=18

RVF has some wall mount fans, bit out of my price range for a little while though.


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: dsotm]
    #333975 - 12/20/09 03:53 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Very nice.  Those are starting to look pretty close to done.  I have that same bulb.  I'm looking forward to see what it can do first hand.



Yeha, they should only have a week or 2 left.


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: coda]
    #333984 - 12/20/09 04:03 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Where did you get that wall mounted fan?  I've been looking for one in that size and haven't been able to find it.



I picked up that fan at the local Menards for $15. It works very well and moves a decent amount of air, but doesn't oscillate. Here's an amazon link for the same one...
http://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-HT-904C-Tabletop-Air-Circulator-White/dp/B001R1Q2C6/ref=pd_sbs_k_2


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #333991 - 12/20/09 04:21 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome, that's exactly what I wanted :smile:


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: coda]
    #333999 - 12/20/09 04:41 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

cool, I also have wallmount oscillating fans I got at walmart for $20. it is out of season there, but I found a link for it on targets website. It is a variable speed, wall mount, also for a very good price.
http://www.target.com/Holmes-Black-Blizzard-Table-Fan/dp/B001R1TQE2


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #348787 - 01/16/10 07:59 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Mini Update-

On monday, the 11th, I harvested my Mango. By far, was my saddest harvest so far. The mites had eaten anything that resembled a fan leaf within the  first 4 weeks of flower. I feel this greatly effected my harvest. I also switched from the foxfarm trio back to my Technaflora set halfway through flower since even with a pump, the solids would settle and seriously damage the roots on the bottom of the tub. It seemed like the plant took weeks to recover from this and also affected my harvest. To top all of that off, as a lesson to all of the new kids, it seems if your plants loose every fan leaf on them, they cant handle full strength flower nutes. Looking back, that should have been obvious, but it wasnt. I has them at 1100ppm's for weeks and the ppm's wouldnt drop at all untull i got the pps to 800 or below. I feel like this also effected the harvest. all of that being said, the plants were fully dry as of yesterday(friday). The final weight came out to 47g's. The smell now, without curing, is fantastic. Supre friuty. not really a specific fruit smell, but more like fruit salad. Everyone who took a wiff, face lit up and said they had never smelled weed that smelled that good, I agree with them. And since they just went into jars today, I can only see it getting better. The taste is a different story. It does taste good, even though it hsnt cured yet. It is only disappointing because it doesnt taste like it smells or even like fruit at all. It is a very earthy taste and thats the only word I have to describe it. I have never tasted anything even close to it in my 27 years of life, and have no way of comparing it to something. Hopefully it will get more a a fruity flavor from curing. So under the circumstances, I am very plased that I still got some killer herb, despite all of the problems. Forgot to mention that the smoke is a very stron high/stoned mix that is pretty balanced. Gives you a soaring head high with an almost equal body buzz, no drowsyness though. The high lasts for about 3 hours.

On to the new stuff. Anyone familiar with my thread has a basic idea of my equipment. Well, over the last week, all of it has changed. I have upgraded from my 430w Agro to dual 600w's. Went with the Lumatek dual 600w dimmable running Ushio Opti Red's in SuperSun2 reflectors. Also changed out the constant intake for a sealed room. I added a 12,000btu portable ac that has dual hose so it wont suck out my co2. It is also a 12,000btu heater, dehumidifier, and air ionizer, which the plants have always loved and helps with the smell. I also changed out the squirel cage fan I had on my light for a 6" can fan, and put it on a controller, since 250cfm seemed excessive for my 10ft duct run. Kept my dwc tubs the same, but now there is 2 of them. The plan is to stager the flower by 1 month and have a harvest from 1 light roughly every month. Liked the idea of a constant supply more than a bulk kick every 2 months. I also changed from my bottled co2 on a timmer to a Hydrogen MiniGen that I will we water cooling with drain to waste tap water, and it is being controlled by a Setinel CPPM1 CO2 controller. Will be nice to see how my setup does with dialed in co2, instead of random bursts that got diluted quickly by the constant intake. Another product I'm putting to the test now is Lightning film. I normally use regular mylar around the plants, but it is thin and rips easily and is a bitch to keep clean. The new stuff is almost as thick as a tarp and is supposed to be completely washable. also has groves in it like a reflector, so it might have better light distibutiuon, but hot spots were never a problem for me. My old screen was 3'x3', the new one will be 3.5'x8'. Still have to build it and hang the lights and fans, but that will all be done by the upcomming weekend hopefully. Thats about it for the upgrades. For anyone who didnt know, my camera has been at the shop for a month, but I'm suposed to get it back tomorrow. Once the room is finished, I will do a big update on all of these upgades at work. I am going to be running Blue Kush under both lights this round, since I lost my Mango, Blue Mystic, and Mazar mom's to the basterd mites. I am currently regowing new ones from seeds in my new veg room. So bear with me guys, I hate having an update with no pics, its not my style. But I'll try to make up for it with a badass update within the next week. As always, if you have any questions or comments, feel free to ask or post.


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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #352844 - 01/25/10 12:54 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

And finally, the much anticipated udate after the rooms update. Been working hard for 2 week now. Completely stripped the room bare. Sprayed the whole place down with organicide and then an hour later with 1:4 ratio of bleach water. Rewrapped the whole room in panda film, then did around the screen in Lightning film. Put in a 12,000btu portable dual house ac/heater. Havent had to use it yet. Installed a Hydrogen miniGen and water cooled it with drain to waste, and hung the 2 600w's with a 6" canfan and used SuperSun 2 reflectors hooked to a dual 600w lumatek balast. Running the same dwc tubs I have always, but now there is 2. Just Put in the 3 larger Blue Kush clones I had into the left side of the screen and in the next few days, I will be putting 6 small Blue Kush clones in the right. The Screen is 3'x8'. Any questions about the build, feel free to ask, and now onto the goods.....

Blue Kush:  Day 1
  Rm Temp: 84F
  Res Temp: 75F
  RH:  37%
  CO2PPM: 1500
  Nute PPM: 1080
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Re: Balls out first Grow (White Widow Scrog, DWC Hydro, 430w Son Argo Air cooled)*Updated Weekly* [Re: Integra21]
    #352854 - 01/25/10 02:02 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

ok fuck ya...way to take it up 10 notches again!! now we're talkin bro!


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