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 Ideas for better out come 
#153401 - 11/30/08 11:06 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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This will be my second go at it.
This time I got myself a dead man rental.
Im using a 250 watt MH. With a 3hrs on a 1hr off. 1gph feeding when light is on. My first harvest got lots of feed back most not good, how ever it was great smoke. I would like feed back so this time it will be even better. Here pics first hatvest and new batch.http:// 
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Stoneth]
#153406 - 11/30/08 11:14 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice nice...What kind of plants?
How many lights? How many plants? Just curious.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: mhbound]
#153417 - 11/30/08 11:44 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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There are three plants in the new batch the one I choose for the pic is almost three times the size of the other two. I dont know why. Only one light for the three I may add another when cloning begins dont know yet. As far as what plant I have no clue I only know is was great bud a quarter lasted me 12days that was the longest a bag went for me this year. I only got three seeds and luckly me they are growing. I did realize that the fan leaves are wider than the others I have tried. And their alot lighter in color. So I was checking to see if some had addive to help me get a better harvest. I using FLORA NOVA feed at one tsp per gallon. Any addive.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Stoneth]
#153463 - 11/30/08 01:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Did you say your light was on 3 hours then off for 1 hour...?
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#153471 - 11/30/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea I don't see how in the hell that's gonna work.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#153498 - 11/30/08 02:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes that what I said that gives me 18hrs on and 6hrs off with out building much heat. I got that idea from ASK ED in a heads mag I was reading. Is this not good info.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Stoneth]
#153509 - 11/30/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whats wrong with having heat??
The break in the light cycle bothers me...These plant's rely heavily on the light to tell them what to do. They don't know what the hell 3 hours on and 1 hour off.
I'm not sure...I wouldn't do it, but it looks like it's working fairly well.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: mhbound]
#153523 - 11/30/08 02:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its always worked for me. And I never have problems when I go to flowering in a 12 on 12 off setting. I have read many HEADS MAGS, as well as some books by Edd R. and others who highly reconmemded over say a straight 18 or 24hrs running. The color apeats light and I guess my is more to the feeding I womder if Im over doing it or under.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Stoneth]
#153528 - 11/30/08 03:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh...Just during vegetative stage...I guess that's fine I have also heard that as well.
Flowering needs to be 12 on non stop, and 12 off. I still like the 18 hours straight for vegging, but whatever works.
And it's always worked for you...The 2 times you have done it?
I suggest doing a grow 18 straight hours, and one with the 3 on 1 off...To see what the results yield. I am curious more than anything.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: mhbound]
#153603 - 11/30/08 07:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I hate to say but I have tried on more than 2 times. I just made alot of mistakes from pest to overwatering in dirt. And the last was underfeeding in which I did get a harvest it just took way to long due to under feeding and over pruning. I really would like to know how to judge the nutrient level my ph is at 5.8 but I know anymore that 2 tsp appears to harm them. I just read of some add. feeding maybe needed to speed up my growth period. If I could get it right I will be able to invest in some real seeds. Im just trier of mistakes.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Stoneth]
#153660 - 11/30/08 08:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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dude what im saying is basically plants need " X " amount of uninterrupted darkness when flowering, and 3 on 1 off is a waste, when the plant goes to dark-mode it doesn't have chance to do anything. Plus your timer is programmed weird.\ lol
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: t0ad]
#153674 - 11/30/08 08:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I get that but Im not flowering yet. When I go to flowering they go to a different room at which they will be under a 400watt HPS at a time of 12 on and 12 off. I totally veg for now.
My timer is programable but once again the flowering is done in a totally different room.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Stoneth]
#153737 - 12/01/08 12:11 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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For those who care want bigger buds that take a bit longer to mature 18 on 12 off. Reg cycle 12/12 and if you need to speed things up and don't care about the sacrifice in yield then 10 on and 12 off. 12 off being the constant for flowering.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Magash]
#153792 - 12/01/08 08:34 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Have you actually tried that magash? I had a long talk with my professor who swore up and down that C4 plants cannot work on a non 24 hour cycle (ie: 18 on 12 off). After that conversation I decided not to try it but now I might have too.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#153799 - 12/01/08 08:57 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I do 18 vegging and 6 off
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12 on and 12 off for flowering
24 hours straight is too much...I may try 18 on and 12 off next round just to see.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Magash]
#153803 - 12/01/08 09:49 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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This article from the overgrow archives talks about using 21h 36m on 12h off to increase yields.
I have also tried 13/11 3 weeks into flowering for 4 weeks and the plants kept flowering with no problem. I switched back to 12/12 to let the plants start maturing. I tried this because I had read this article as well as this one.
The only time a 12 hour dark cycle is required for flowering is if you are using a day length of more than 24 hours. If you are using 24 hours a day 10h on 14h off will make your plants mature faster.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Amnesiac]
#153814 - 12/01/08 10:57 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the good reads. Gives me lots to think about. I may want to play with some of them settings. I keep everyone updated after Im able to take some clones and start flowering.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#154057 - 12/01/08 08:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
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Have you actually tried that magash? I had a long talk with my professor who swore up and down that C4 plants cannot work on a non 24 hour cycle (ie: 18 on 12 off). After that conversation I decided not to try it but now I might have too.
i think that was discussed in a different thread a while back
12h off is for primo optmal results w/ minimal chance of stressing, meaning dont give it less than 12h uninterrupted... i never found awkward light cycles to be appealing, i try to stick to the way nature intended it... with a little help from me to give it some juice 
i haven't heard of any outstanding results from exotic or extreme /awkward time cycles. i like 18/6, but have been running 24/0 for ... eh, to be simple and lazy recently and I also would only do 12/12 when flowering... no more... no less. :x
does that 10/14 really work? i mean, seriously, would this just provide the plant shorter days to make the plant flower shorter as is always concerned about flowering not developing other tings like bountiful trichs & tight calyxes. in your experience does this cause loose fluffy buds or small yields?
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: t0ad]
#154063 - 12/01/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
t0ad said:
does that 10/14 really work? i mean, seriously, would this just provide the plant shorter days to make the plant flower shorter as is always concerned about flowering not developing other tings like bountiful trichs & tight calyxes. in your experience does this cause loose fluffy buds or small yields?
I have never actually done it and wouldn't care to. It seems like it would give inferior results.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Amnesiac]
#156110 - 12/05/08 03:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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OK Im now going into week 4 and these two plants at 3 week of age are completely different. Dont know why but they are just look.
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Does anyone happen to know whats going on.
Im at a lost and treet them the same so far.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Stoneth]
#156113 - 12/05/08 03:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some just have better genetics. That's probably what it is...Unless the other is getting root bound or something, but it doesn't seem that way.
That big one is one you want to clone, and keep as mother...Or I would.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: mhbound]
#156196 - 12/05/08 04:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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If they give me a chance Ill be cloning both if they let me.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Amnesiac]
#156399 - 12/06/08 12:24 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
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t0ad said:
does that 10/14 really work? i mean, seriously, would this just provide the plant shorter days to make the plant flower shorter as is always concerned about flowering not developing other tings like bountiful trichs & tight calyxes. in your experience does this cause loose fluffy buds or small yields?
I have never actually done it and wouldn't care to. It seems like it would give inferior results.
it is only necessary for strains from or near the equator. it would stretch any indica or indica satvia hybrids.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Stoneth]
#160286 - 12/10/08 11:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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it is now known plants grow faster with 24, show pre sex from seed slower, but grow faster. either that or 18+ hrs is all u need to know. nothing other than 12 on 12 off for sure on flowering
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Yes I get the hole 24hr and 18 hr light thing. Im using 18hr now just in a different way by going 3hrs on an 1hr off.
About the presex from seed one as ever showed me anything other than flowering a single clone from each. This way if there is a male it could be delt with and removed from the veg so u get just the females and no seeds. If someone knows different please advise me.
I do plan on using a 12on 12off under 400watts HPS.
Im using this post to insure I dont make as many mistakes as I ve done in the past. I think I ve got it covered but better to ask just in case.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Stoneth]
#161765 - 12/13/08 12:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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i dont think you do get it bro, just leave it on for 18+ str8, trust me. doing that 3 on 1 off or whatever is a mistake. im not trying to sound like an ass bud. its just how it is.
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There have been numerous documents on this that say it works. Growers in high times etc...And I would have to say they know what they are talking about, but again I have never tried it. I may try it just to see next grow.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: mhbound]
#161776 - 12/13/08 01:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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hey mh, whats up man, i have to say that tweeking with the light like that will stress the plant big time.
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Yea, I thought the same thing in my first posts in this thread, and then I went and did some reading after magash or someone said it has been documented...And I found out it has some backing to it, but I still like my 18 hours, and 12-12 flowering...May try this for fun though.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: mhbound]
#161807 - 12/13/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude thanks I see that some people will read,
But that this point according to Ed R. the lighting times Im using is less stressful on the plants than say 24hrs and if my light had a exturnal bal. I would most likely have went with the 24hrs. But my bal is enturnal there for that makes way to much heat have tried temps reached around 89 to 97 degrees which we all know is way to high. So by leting the light break on every three for a 1hr period that is not a problem. Ive read alot on Ed R. and like his work, And latly been reading alot of Magash and others here so my flowering will be at a 12on and 12off under a 400 HPS.
But the question at hand has been answered thanks for the help. To keep track check out Dead mans grow room in the Grow J. Will check in here to see if more advice is given thanks again PEACE GUYS.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Stoneth]
#203143 - 03/04/09 09:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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OK guys been awhile since I have updated this.
I'm at 6 weeks into flowering.
These are three clones that have made it.
    
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Stoneth]
#203146 - 03/04/09 09:30 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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For the most part those plants are beautiful man, but what I mean by the most part is a very small thing that is of very little worry.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: mhbound]
#203172 - 03/04/09 11:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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For the most part those plants are beautiful man, but what I mean by the most part is a very small thing that is of very little worry.
What's on your mind man.
I have 2 to 4 weeks left.
If you can help a better out come.
By all means advise me.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Stoneth]
#203202 - 03/04/09 11:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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The thing is it's the tips of very few leaves. If it were affecting more I may suggest something, but at this point your plants are so healthy I think it would be almost wrong to change anything. I have to guess that since you are only 2-3 weeks away from finishing that, that is whats causing it.
Keep an eye on it I guess but unless it spreads drastically its not going to cause any problems within a few weeks. The tips of some leaves are yellowing, very very few of them though.
I don't think any of my advice will help the situation unless it continues to get worse incredibly fast.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: mhbound]
#203241 - 03/05/09 08:52 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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The yellowing you're seeing could be any number of things. First that comes to mind is Ph because of some of the oddly growing fan leaves visible in most pictures. It could also be boron or magnesium that is affecting the cola in the third to last picture.
What kind of ferts are you giving them at what strength? Have you checked your Ph recently? What are the temps in there, I know you had a problem with them earlier in your grow?
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#203279 - 03/05/09 11:22 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea I had problem with temps earlier but now they are 65 to 75.
I'm using flora nova fert.
Per gallon 5 ml Floranova bloom 1 ml Floralicious Plus and 10 ml Liquid Koolbloom.
I forgot the super thrive at 1 ml per gallon.
Ph is 5.6 to 5.8.
Thanks for any and all help.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Stoneth]
#203346 - 03/05/09 01:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I assume by micro you mean grow, and coolbloom is koolbloom but well let those slide. 
I have used floranova nutes for a long time and just recently switched away from them. If you check out the feeding schedule here you will see that you may want to use a bit higher dosage, I'd go with around 10ml bloom per gallon. I have also had Mg deficiencies with floranova so you might want to try some epsom salt or cal-mag type additive.
Ph and temp sound good though, keep it up.
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Re: Ideas for better out come [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#203399 - 03/05/09 04:40 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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OK man I'll work that in the mix in a day or so.
I corrected the other post I was in a hurry earlier.
For some reason the link wouldn't work for me.
Is it the same as this chart here.
http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/161047#161047
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