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 T-Rex
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 Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples 
#496538 - 11/09/10 01:08 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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As somebody interesting not only in Marijuana cultivation but also fruit, vegetable as well as floral gardening, I've read up on the process of grafting branches from mature tree's with desirable characteristics to the rootstock of another plant.
Its done because most fruit tree's planted from seed don't come true, and the majority of seedlings are inferior to the parent. Tree's grown from seed also take many years before flowering and fruiting, up to 7-10 years for Apples, and they have to go through a juvenile phase. Most tree fruits don't root well from clone, so grafting is a more reliable method of reproducing a particular phenotype.
The general trend in fruit growing has been towards producing smaller, more manageable trees and, to this end, research stations have concentrated on selecting and breeding more dwarfing rootstock. This makes tree's flower earlier and be generally more productive.
  Even though next to none of those reason's have anything to do with Cannabis, and there probably wouldn't be any benefits from doing it other than maybe marginally faster growth (maybe), it was still enough to raise my interest in the subject, and I don't see any harm in trying it. So I'm wondering if one of the more experienced cultivators would like to take a stab at trying to graft a clone to an existing rootstock? I'm sure there are multiple sources available on the method via the internet, but should it be required I can give instructions. Here's one site I found www.freeplants.com/grafting_fruit_trees_and_ornamental_plants.htmThis is just an open invitation to anyone with an opinion on how it would work, or anyone with some room to spare in their veg box for a bit of an experiment, and who knows, you might get some science award if it all goes well 
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: T-Rex]
#496544 - 11/09/10 01:50 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am not certain that you would have success without some very sophisticated equipment. Grafting is popular on woody trees and shrubs. The structure of cannabis does not seem conducive to normal methods. Herbaceous plants have different sensitivities than woody varieties. Cell wall structures are different, as are methods of transpiration. Cutting something "soft" like cannabis is likely to severely damage the existing vascular system to the point it will not join to anything else.
Still.. if someone has done it I would like to see it for curiosity's sake.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: CrayolaHalls]
#496546 - 11/09/10 02:01 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's true, when its done with tree's they cut into the cambium layer of both the clone and the root before placing them together, and that part is the tissue between the bark and the woody centre of a stem because its capable of producing new stem cells. And to be honest I didn't even really consider the fact that the cell wall structures were completely different   Still I'm sure it could be done, if not to rootstock then possibly a branch transplant from one plant to another?
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: T-Rex]
#496550 - 11/09/10 02:14 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah it can be done and it's not all that hard.
Been at least 6 years but I heard about a friend the grafted a bunch of branches from different plants onto one plant. I decided to give it a try myself and it worked. The branches still grew the way they would on the original plant. Meaning that if it was long flowering strain it still took long to flower, if it was a short flowering strain the it was still short flowering. Made for a interesting project.
I've heard you can graft to different plant species but I never gave that a try.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Magash]
#496551 - 11/09/10 02:25 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Would you be willing to attempt grafting a clone to a rootstock next time you harvest? I think I can speak for a few members when I say it would be interesting to watch the process
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: T-Rex]
#496575 - 11/09/10 08:37 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: CrayolaHalls]
#496702 - 11/09/10 06:17 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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So as long as I kept all the branches labeled, I could have one mother plant that produced clones for multiple strains?! That's awesome!
Having a limit as to how many plants I can have, being able to pull more than one strain off a mother is great for diversity in the grow-room...
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: CrayolaHalls]
#496706 - 11/09/10 06:31 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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For being in Amsterdam that dude sounded South African. That's a cool video, I can't believe he got 11 strains on 1 plant  I'm still curious to see a clone grafted right down at the rootstock though.
I wonder, if you had a rootstock big enough if you could graft 3-4 strains to it. Gaahhh, I need somebody to do this!
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: T-Rex]
#496849 - 11/10/10 10:05 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Graft an autoflower to a huge mother 
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Laysthepipe]
#496888 - 11/10/10 04:16 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Why do you want someone to do this so badly?? Ti's already been done, and besides mothers, has shown that the're is no real benefit. Grafting one strain that yields less to a root stock of a larger yielding strain really doesn't do much to benefit the grafted strain. And it just adds more time into your growing process.
Why do you do it buddy?? Do you think you don't have the skills or something?
And why an auto flower to a mother?? Just so you can have a branch that's flowering while you take clones for your real grow?? Again, seems like a waste of time to me. But to each their own I guess.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#496893 - 11/10/10 04:33 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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And why an auto flower to a mother?? Just so you can have a branch that's flowering while you take clones for your real grow?? Again, seems like a waste of time to me. But to each their own I guess.
I don't think that whole post was directed towards me except this part.
Few reasons. If it is a big mother that would give both a big root system and a large surface area that should make the autofower have bigger buds than normal.
It would be flowering in the veg room, on a mother that would be in there anyway without adding another plant count. Get buds off your mother while the clones flower also.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#496908 - 11/10/10 06:22 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've seen people who have transplanted branches to other branches but not a clone to a rootstock as an entire new plant. The only reason I want it to happen is as I said it would be pretty interesting to watch, and no I don't think I have the skill, nor the plants at the moment.
I'm not putting a gun to anyone's head, just an open invitation for curiosity sake
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 Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: T-Rex]
#496945 - 11/10/10 08:11 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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A guns more fun.
Would be an interesting project to watch.
Clone gaffed to base of plant, wait till its growing, harvest plant.
Wonder if there would be any benefit of a small plant with large root system already in place?
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: KaptKid]
#496946 - 11/10/10 08:13 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's what I was wondering too, I would think it would grow at least a little faster once it took to the transplant?
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Laysthepipe]
#497173 - 11/11/10 04:20 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Laysthepipe said:
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hawksapprentice said:
And why an auto flower to a mother?? Just so you can have a branch that's flowering while you take clones for your real grow?? Again, seems like a waste of time to me. But to each their own I guess.
I don't think that whole post was directed towards me except this part.
Few reasons. If it is a big mother that would give both a big root system and a large surface area that should make the autofower have bigger buds than normal.
It would be flowering in the veg room, on a mother that would be in there anyway without adding another plant count. Get buds off your mother while the clones flower also.
Well they have tried this in a sense. Not with mother plants but just your whole flowering plant. They attach a branch of a strain that yields less to the root system of a strain that was higher yielding in hope to get a bigger yield from the grafted strain. It ended up that the grafted strain did not produce any more than it would have on it;s own.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Magash]
#497192 - 11/11/10 05:35 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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So is it possible to graft multiple male branches on to a mother plant along with multiple female branches to cross breed many strains at once or together. Or does it not work that way?
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: DoctorDarkMatter]
#497193 - 11/11/10 05:39 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh yeah that could work, I don't really do any breeding though so I'm no expert in it.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#497198 - 11/11/10 05:51 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would see that to be the only benefit other then variety of grafting. That way you could cross maybe three or four strains together at once or more.In theory, I'm no expert either.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#497221 - 11/11/10 06:54 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Laysthepipe said:
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hawksapprentice said:
And why an auto flower to a mother?? Just so you can have a branch that's flowering while you take clones for your real grow?? Again, seems like a waste of time to me. But to each their own I guess.
I don't think that whole post was directed towards me except this part.
Few reasons. If it is a big mother that would give both a big root system and a large surface area that should make the autofower have bigger buds than normal.
It would be flowering in the veg room, on a mother that would be in there anyway without adding another plant count. Get buds off your mother while the clones flower also.
Well they have tried this in a sense. Not with mother plants but just your whole flowering plant. They attach a branch of a strain that yields less to the root system of a strain that was higher yielding in hope to get a bigger yield from the grafted strain. It ended up that the grafted strain did not produce any more than it would have on it;s own.
That is a lot different though.
Just because the strain yields more will not change the genetics of the low yielding strain once grafted.
The difference here is...
To provide a plant that cannot get that large of a root system a larger one than it would get normally in its lifetime.
Also, to give the plant a lot bigger surface area coverage (which autos wouldn't be able to get that large by themselves) of leaves to help produce larger buds.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Laysthepipe]
#497232 - 11/11/10 07:25 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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It doesn't matter. It's already been done, and shown that it doesn't increase yield.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#497290 - 11/12/10 01:14 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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hawksapprentice said:
It doesn't matter. It's already been done, and shown that it doesn't increase yield.
Link?
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They attach a branch of a strain that yields less to the root system of a strain that was higher yielding in hope to get a bigger yield from the grafted strain.
What you described is trying to change the genetics of a plant by grafting for more yield, this is changing the growing conditions of the plant by grafting for more yield.
A normal plant grafted onto a rootstock of a normal plant will only yield what the scion normally would have yielded with the same amount of roots/surface area. This experiment shouldn't have even been tryed, it is kind of common sense.
An auto with limited life cannot reach the root system or surface area of leaves to collect light that a 1-2 year old mother can.
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They attach a branch of a strain that yields less to the root system of a strain that was higher yielding in hope to get a bigger yield from the grafted strain.
What you described is like trying to graft a non mescaline containing cacti onto a trich to get it to produce mescaline in it.
Comparing what I'm talking about to cacti would be kind of like using a loph (that takes years to get a good root system) to an already established trichocereus root system and larger cacti/surface area to get sun with causing explosive growth.
Loph seemed reasonable since the root system and surface area of the plant both contributing to the growth of the plant will be a lot smaller than the stock trichocereus, just like the auto will be to a mother.
And if it did work you could pretty much perpetual harvest nice sized buds off of one plant that never leaves veg.
Edited by Laysthepipe (11/12/10 01:58 AM)
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Laysthepipe]
#497390 - 11/12/10 12:25 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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The video that they posted up top mentioned it. if you would have watched it and listened they tried what I was describing.
Now as to the root base size, the train of though t you have makes sense. But I still doubt that it would work in obtaining bigger buds. Just my opinion on that. But feel free to do and prove me wrong. And continually keeping it in veg hours would just use more electricity no??
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#497407 - 11/12/10 01:55 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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continually keeping it in veg hours would just use more electricity no??
A real mother plant (for sog) will always stay in veg anyways.
I would try this, I just don't have a mother or plants to do it with.
I rechecked the vid, an auto is still a different story since the limited life cycle of it really restricts the plants size and rootsize.
Just doing it with a normal plant though, I don't see why any other normal type cannabis strain (sativa/indica) would have a problem getting a large root system given time. So what he was saying there kinda doesn't add up to me. The diesel and cheese should be able to get just as big of a root system as the haze imo.
With an auto though say you have an auto strain that only gets about 1 ft tall max. Putting that on top of a large mother with a really good sized root system and is about 3-5 ft tall. I think that would give it a nice boost.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Laysthepipe]
#497422 - 11/12/10 02:33 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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It MAY give it a boost. you wont know until you try though. And all my mothers stay under floros so it would be a waste of time and effort for me to try it. Plus I don't have any auto-flower strains.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#497592 - 11/13/10 07:06 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I read this post an watched that video and I going to have to agree with Lays. If you give an auto a root system of a mother that is well established how wouldn't the auto get bigger than normal. It seems like common sense. The lifetime of an auto is limited so imagine if you were able to skip all the seedling/root establishing stage and jump right into vegging with a great root system, the plant would in theory shoot up. Seems kinda like common sense to me.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: jkell]
#498023 - 11/14/10 06:28 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Then by all means. Do it and prove me wrong.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#498241 - 11/15/10 03:10 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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You guys all know autos have a limited life span right? Has anybody took into account the amount of time it's gonna take to do the graft itself.
Now if you want to test your theory without having to do a graft here ya go. Take a plant that is growing in soil and has to look for it's nutrients by growing a larger root system. Then transplant it into a hydro system (I've done this many times and the shock will only last a few days at most if done right, way less time then a graft would take) where the nutrients are delivered to it which means the root mass it grew in the soil is much larger then the one it would need in a hydro set up. 
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Magash]
#498249 - 11/15/10 04:09 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I was thinking about that after i made my last post. You can't even really clone autos because of this. So i was figuring i'd let them find out the hard way.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#498254 - 11/15/10 04:26 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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All the auto's I've grown are low yield.
Why put all that time into them?
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: KaptKid]
#498308 - 11/15/10 08:01 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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To get bud while still being able to just keep your mother in veg and get cuttings off her. its a win win
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Magash]
#498316 - 11/15/10 08:10 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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You guys all know autos have a limited life span right? Has anybody took into account the amount of time it's gonna take to do the graft itself.
seven days or so for it to establish?
7 days out of the 70-100 day life cycle isn't that bad to give it a bigger plant to feed off of.
It still should get bigger than it normally would have when you consider how much a grown plant can grow vs a premature plant.
The bigger the plant gets while grafted the more space it has to produce buds.
How many inches does a large grown plant grow per day?
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Laysthepipe]
#498337 - 11/15/10 08:50 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Some strains claim a inch or so a day. I'm sure some of the old school Colombians and Mexican plant probably do since they use to hit 25 feet tall but the strains nowadays I haven't seen it.
This grafting thing has been done before. I believe the results are in "Marijuana Botany" by Robert Connell Clarke.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Laysthepipe]
#498456 - 11/16/10 05:59 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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SO if you want to graft an auto to a fully mature mother you're gonna have one HUGE problem. The auto goes straight into flower and pretty much bypasses the veg stage. How are you going to get the stem of the auto big enough to even graft to a large mothers stems. By the time the autos stem is big enough it will have almost finished its growing cycle.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: brifunforme]
#498476 - 11/16/10 08:03 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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SO if you want to graft an auto to a fully mature mother you're gonna have one HUGE problem. The auto goes straight into flower and pretty much bypasses the veg stage. How are you going to get the stem of the auto big enough to even graft to a large mothers stems. By the time the autos stem is big enough it will have almost finished its growing cycle.
The pics I have found show some very small stems grafted to large stalks. It looks like the size difference creates a bottle-neck condition, not allowing the full thick mother stock to provide 100% capacity... kind of like trying to merge a 6 lane highway down to 2 lanes.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: DoctorDarkMatter]
#498507 - 11/16/10 09:21 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would see that to be the only benefit other then variety of grafting. That way you could cross maybe three or four strains together at once or more.In theory, I'm no expert either.
are you talking about a 4 way cross, or just crossing a number of strains? For a four way cross, you would need a total of 4 plants and two generations of seed: plant a cross with plant b. Then cross plant c with plant d. finally cross plant ab with plant cd
If you're talking about crossing a number of plants at one time, it would work, but it would be nearly impossible to know what crossed with what,
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: kyuzo]
#498586 - 11/16/10 01:37 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, he's talking about having 4 different strains grafted onto 1 plant. Not breeding,.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: kyuzo]
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I was talking about breeding, it just seemed to make more sense to graft them on for a purpose other then just grafting branches on to a plant to have different strains flowering.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: DoctorDarkMatter]
#498626 - 11/16/10 03:40 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes but we were not talking about breeding. And the more valid point to having more than one strain on a plant is not so much to flower it, but keep it as a mother so you don't have to have as many mothers.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#498687 - 11/16/10 07:40 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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grafting for flowering seems like wasting time.. grafting for mothers seem like a worth while safe saver, as long as u don't forget what and where u grafted..
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Tank333]
#499895 - 11/21/10 11:23 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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So as long as I kept all the branches labeled, I could have one mother plant that produced clones for multiple strains?! That's awesome!
Even if the branches weren't labeled, your mother plant would still produce clones for multiple strains.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: jkell]
#499896 - 11/21/10 11:28 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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I read this post an watched that video and I going to have to agree with Lays. If you give an auto a root system of a mother that is well established how wouldn't the auto get bigger than normal. It seems like common sense. The lifetime of an auto is limited so imagine if you were able to skip all the seedling/root establishing stage and jump right into vegging with a great root system, the plant would in theory shoot up. Seems kinda like common sense to me.
Autos don't veg, they go into flower after a few days after germination, well before you can graft them.
Grafting a auto wouldn't make it veg longer either.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: maryanne3087]
#500121 - 11/22/10 04:46 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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how long does it take a graft to get into full growing speed???
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: maryanne3087]
#500155 - 11/22/10 07:06 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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maryanne3087 said:
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I read this post an watched that video and I going to have to agree with Lays. If you give an auto a root system of a mother that is well established how wouldn't the auto get bigger than normal. It seems like common sense. The lifetime of an auto is limited so imagine if you were able to skip all the seedling/root establishing stage and jump right into vegging with a great root system, the plant would in theory shoot up. Seems kinda like common sense to me.
Autos don't veg, they go into flower after a few days after germination, well before you can graft them.
Grafting a auto wouldn't make it veg longer either.
That's what I was tryin to say.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: maryanne3087]
#500591 - 11/24/10 02:49 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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maryanne3087 said:
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So as long as I kept all the branches labeled, I could have one mother plant that produced clones for multiple strains?! That's awesome!
Even if the branches weren't labeled, your mother plant would still produce clones for multiple strains.
OMG! You mean these aren't "magic labels" like the guy at the hydro store told me!?
Jesus christ, you must think I'm a retard, don't you? Of course the branches will continue to produce the same strain even if you don't label them. But if you don't, you're quite likely to forget which branch was what strain.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Tank333]
#500593 - 11/24/10 02:55 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was pointing out your implication makes you look like a retard.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: maryanne3087]
#500595 - 11/24/10 03:06 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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My implication? What? That suggesting that by grafting and labeling his mother, a medical patient who grows his own medicine can grow multiple strains on the same mother, thus saving him valuable plant slots that he could use for his crops instead of having extra mothers? How the hell does that make me look like a retard? You pointing out that the labels don't have to be there for the plant to continue doing this was superfluous and rude. You may know what you're talking about most of the time, but you're one hell of a troll!
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: maryanne3087]
#500938 - 11/26/10 08:06 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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maryanne3087 said:
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I read this post an watched that video and I going to have to agree with Lays. If you give an auto a root system of a mother that is well established how wouldn't the auto get bigger than normal. It seems like common sense. The lifetime of an auto is limited so imagine if you were able to skip all the seedling/root establishing stage and jump right into vegging with a great root system, the plant would in theory shoot up. Seems kinda like common sense to me.
Autos don't veg, they go into flower after a few days after germination, well before you can graft them.
Grafting a auto wouldn't make it veg longer either.
Have you grown an auto mary?
Don't think you have or you would know you have plenty of time to graft it.
And if you can graft seedlings then that's even better.
heres an example day 39 just starting to show flowers
I don't consider 5 and a half weeks to be a few days after germination.
The finished plant even looks like it grew taller while in flowering also.
1 week off for grafting for about 4 weeks of what should be faster growth. Sounds like it should grow a shitload more than normal to me (in cact a small scion gets near 1 years growth in a month, even though this is probably a bit different).
Here's another quote from someone that posted on the day 49 vid
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the other 1 started flowering at day 55 ,it didnt grow any higher after it started to flower im now at day 107 and is still not ready,
I have also seen a strain start at like 14 days, think it was the dwarf. Depends on genetics most likely, but as you can see there is plenty of time.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Laysthepipe]
#501139 - 11/27/10 09:54 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is humboldt coffee talk.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Ero42oH2o]
#501194 - 11/27/10 02:43 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think that some autos veg for a few weeks. Any has anybody thought of the practical application of grafting an indica to a sativa rootstock for a guerrilla grow?
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: SmOakland]
#501313 - 11/27/10 11:24 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think that some autos veg for a few weeks. Any has anybody thought of the practical application of grafting an indica to a sativa rootstock for a guerrilla grow?
This would be cool if you like..
Let the sativa plant get like 2ft tall then cut the cola and graft an indica to the cola, maybe let the sativa get taller.
Then you'd have indica buds on top finish early, and you can harvest the sativa buds a few weeks later that are near the bottom of the plant.
Not sure why not just have two plants though in this situation unless you just want one plant if its in your yard or something.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Laysthepipe]
#501479 - 11/28/10 04:18 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Was i not clear? My idea was to plant a sativa, cut it off below all nodes and graft an indica onto it before transplanting it in the wild/woods/secret place where it would need to receive some water from natural sources.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: SmOakland]
#501487 - 11/28/10 04:39 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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go do it, and get back with me.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: SmOakland]
#501488 - 11/28/10 04:40 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Was i not clear? My idea was to plant a sativa, cut it off below all nodes and graft an indica onto it before transplanting it in the wild/woods/secret place where it would need to receive some water from natural sources.
Are you talking about helping to alleviate some physiological discrepancy between the two plants like water requirements? If so, such disparities involve more than simple root structure
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: kyuzo]
#501505 - 11/28/10 05:24 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Was i not clear? My idea was to plant a sativa, cut it off below all nodes and graft an indica onto it before transplanting it in the wild/woods/secret place where it would need to receive some water from natural sources.
Are you talking about helping to alleviate some physiological discrepancy between the two plants like water requirements? If so, such disparities involve more than simple root structure
I was just wondering. Do you have any actual explanation as to why such a method would not have a practical application?
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: SmOakland]
#501512 - 11/28/10 05:47 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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SmOakland said:
Was i not clear? My idea was to plant a sativa, cut it off below all nodes and graft an indica onto it before transplanting it in the wild/woods/secret place where it would need to receive some water from natural sources.
Are you talking about helping to alleviate some physiological discrepancy between the two plants like water requirements? If so, such disparities involve more than simple root structure
I was just wondering. Do you have any actual explanation as to why such a method would not have a practical application?
My comment was concerning the fact that the root system isn't the lone determining factor for water requirements. Could it be beneficial? There's a possibility that it might be; depending on what exactly you were trying to do, and if the net benefit outweighed the stress caused by grafting.
But then again, I'm not sure there would be any benefit to grafting a rose bush onto the root system of a cactus (if it was possible), being that the main water saving systems of the cactus are in the actual plant, and not the roots
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: SmOakland]
#501516 - 11/28/10 06:22 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Was i not clear? My idea was to plant a sativa, cut it off below all nodes and graft an indica onto it before transplanting it in the wild/woods/secret place where it would need to receive some water from natural sources.
Yea you were clear but doesn't make sense really.
Whats the deal with sativa roots? Why not just keep the indica roots?
Unless your going to cut down a 25 foot bush to graft onto, then it would be understandable, huge root system, otherwise, I don't see why not just keep an indica.
Planted at the same time I would think both the indica and sativas roots shouldn't be too different in size (atleast not until the sativa is a beast, and I don't think anyone would want to cut down a sativa larger than them at the base to graft an indica to it), So I don't see where you are going with this one.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Laysthepipe]
#501613 - 11/29/10 09:22 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sativas have larger sprawling root systems. I would think they would continue to grow very large even if they had a relatively small indica grafted onto them. Big root system + small plant means you will need to water it less.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: SmOakland]
#501682 - 11/29/10 03:49 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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i've heard u can graft to tomatoes.. use their roots
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: wholesheet]
#501685 - 11/29/10 03:59 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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i've heard u can graft to tomatoes.. use their roots
Doubt it. Hops maybe, tomatoes no.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: SmOakland]
#501699 - 11/29/10 05:11 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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i've heard u can graft to tomatoes.. use their roots
Doubt it. Hops maybe, tomatoes no.
Worth a try with shitty seeds to see if it works, I might try in spring just to see if it works then kill the plant, I won't grow outside until the plants legal so it'd just be a quick test.
It depends, I don't think I have many green zebra seeds left though and it sucks when I moved I had one with about 30 tomatoes on it I had to leave behind because it was straight in the ground. This year I am getting some damn green zebras, I have wanted to for two years now.
Tomato plant stems are pretty damned weak though and normally need support.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Laysthepipe]
#501841 - 11/30/10 08:10 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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i forgot were i read this.. i somewhat tried it.. with no success. but didn't do it in optimal conditions
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: wholesheet]
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#501853 - 11/30/10 08:24 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/374238#374238
Now that is interesting. I'm not sure if tomatoes would be the best stock plant though unless you graft right at the bottom of the plant, those stems are terribly weak, I'm not so sure about the root system either, haven't dealt with them enough.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Laysthepipe]
#501860 - 11/30/10 08:37 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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harry, i looked over the link u posted.. did u ever get any grafts to work.. like the buch in your yard. or any other plant?>/
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: wholesheet]
#501908 - 11/30/10 10:24 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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never got around to actually trying it. I was just posting the link here because we discussed some interesting stuff in that thread that I felt might be pertinent to the discussion here
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#502018 - 11/30/10 04:26 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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I AGREE. very interesting.. i know what ya mean.. wish i tried all the ideas i ever had,,, or maybe not.. someone gottta try this sometime
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: T-Rex]
#502725 - 12/02/10 11:46 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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My buddy has done this. He told me the key was to do all your cuts under water.
Makes sence to me. I think it would be cool to try.
I doubt you'd be able to graft a huge root mass to a tiny clone though.
I'd do it all at clone size.
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Re: Grafting to root stock; growing weed like Apples [Re: DoPeYsMuRf]
#512207 - 01/09/11 08:30 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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My buddy has done this. He told me the key was to do all your cuts under water.
Makes sence to me. I think it would be cool to try.
I doubt you'd be able to graft a huge root mass to a tiny clone though.
I'd do it all at clone size.
Some would say that's the key to cloning too, it just doesn't make it so.
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