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HELP VETS!!
    #303671 - 10/25/09 05:17 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

hey guys.  It's frustrating getting these questions like, "im going to grow cannabis, what do I need to do?"  I then looked up at the top of the cultivation section and to my surprise there's really nothing up there for the absolute beginner (and newb to either the site or online cannabis communities).  I started a thread in my journal for this.  I want to compile (here) a list of Growery links that you think will be beneificial for newbies who know nothing about cannabis other than the fact that they like to get high.  The next post will show what i have so far.  I'm also looking for anything at all that will add benefit to it.


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #303672 - 10/25/09 05:18 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The purpose of this thread is to provide you with a starting place for your cultivation research here at the growery.  Of late, we have seen an influx of newcomers asking very generic questions regarding where to start their grow.  Here are some tips for the new cannabis horticulturists on how to get the best answers to your questions and some good links within the site That will help you get on your way to growing the best cannabis in the world, your cannabis. 

Tips on asking questions

ALWAYS use the search function prior to making a new post.  See if it has already been addressed in our database here.  After reviewing the related threads you can bump one if your content is truly relevant and adds something to the expired discussion.  if you think you have a valid point don't have any fear of reintroducing the discussion.  In fact this can actually be beneficial to us all.  I know when I work on a project and I get stumped and then put that particular issue aside for a week I come back to it with a fresh perspective.  The same applies here. 

Keep your new questions concise.  The longer text you have the less likely people will read it.  That's just the hard truth.  People are lazy. 

Include as many details as are relevant.  If you are asking about how far to keep the lights from your grow it would make sense to include the kind of lights you are using and a picture of your plant, it wouldn't make much sense to tell us how much you like bacon or how much you hope to yield.  We all love bacon and we all want as much bud possible. 

This is a work in progress.  I encourage everyone to comment and make changes/additions.  I'd like to get this done asap.

http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/303669/vc/1#303669


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #303677 - 10/25/09 05:21 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Strain List I like this thread because you can just use the find function and find the origins of the strain.  Not necessarily for newbs but good nonetheless. 

HID lights DON'T use a lot of power!

An Overview of Cannabis Training (ScrOG, SoG, FIM, Supercrop, LST, etc.)

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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #303678 - 10/25/09 05:27 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Should make a point by point "basic" list that a new grower could read over, like a fact sheet about growing like simple listing of various options and so forth but not a guide as much as a "things you should learn about", maybe a defined list of some of the terms we use that are slang to the average noob.  Like Nutes.

Example:

1) Color Spectrum:  For Veg period, use 6500Kelvin lights.  For Flowering, use 2700Kelvin.

2) Avoid soil that has time release Nutes, like Miracle Grow.

3) The biggest mistake a new grower makes is OVERWATERING.

4) Perlite is really needed in your soil mixtures for proper drainage.

And so on.

Just my thoughts of how a list of facts could be compiled in one thread, but we can keep shooting replies to you of things we think of making compiling it easier.

You are right, seems like in the last week a lot of "Hi I bought some seeds, can you help me figure out what to do??" - wonder if growery is showing up in google search higher ranking on searches like "how to grow marijuana" or something.

On the other hand, researching and searching on this site has endless knowledge for anyone who bothers....except a lot do not bother.


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: Azyle00]
    #303679 - 10/25/09 05:30 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'd also suggest changing the name of the thread to something along the lines of, "New to growing? Look in here!" or something like that.

I just think a lot more people would look at that then "HELP VETS!!", not trying to criticize or anything, just saying.
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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: Cannaboid]
    #303685 - 10/25/09 05:38 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks guys!  I agree with everything that's been said.  cannaboid, this isn't the thread that would be stickied.  this is just a compilation thread.  Same with the one in my journal - which has a name more suited for this endeavor.


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #303686 - 10/25/09 05:39 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Ah ok. :super:


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: Cannaboid]
    #303689 - 10/25/09 05:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Here's the Getting Started page from the main site.  It's got some gooood info.


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #303697 - 10/25/09 06:04 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

You know also, in the Doc's forum they have a "Before you post" sticky that outlines all the info a new poster with a problem with a plant should answer and include and so often when a noob posts, "help me grow, I am new", our reply is, Grow Space?  Soil or Hydro?  Budget?  Seed or Clone?  How many Plants? etc.  So maybe we have similar here:

1) How big is your grow space?

2) Are you using Seeds or Clones?

3) Are you planning to use Soil or Hydro?

4) What is your budget?

5) How many plants are you wanting to grow?

6) Is your grow area "open" or "closet"?

7) Can your grow area be vented?

8) What kind of harvest would you like to achieve in terms of grams of bud?

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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: Azyle00]
    #303698 - 10/25/09 06:06 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Here is a great DIY Aero/Hydro and PDF plan downloads, might want to include.

http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/195142


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: Azyle00]
    #303721 - 10/25/09 06:53 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Lets turn in to assholes like we do at the shroomery and tell everyone to use the search function first...And then to ask questions.

We haven't done that here because of the lack of threads but its getting up there now...I say we implement that rule asap.


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: mhbound]
    #303731 - 10/25/09 07:05 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

that works well over there because it is such an established website.  this place is in its infancy and I don't want to scare people away by being assholes to everyone of them.  I'm hoping something like this would help prevent those types of threads/questions.


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #303747 - 10/25/09 07:21 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

We were all noobs once without choice, but can choose to be or not to be assholes.


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: Azyle00]
    #303753 - 10/25/09 07:35 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Hi,

I feel a little out of place posting here because I'm a newbie myself. But I think I have more than proven how serious I am about growing. Anyway, heres my input.

Growing shrooms in comparison to growing pot is like breathing. It's easy (for most people). I think thats why they can afford to be assholes, because the same simple and easy question are asked over and over.

I don't know about some of you, but I find pot growing to be an extremely complex, time consuming, pocket book draining, dangerous (regarding legality) and high intensity endeavor in comparison to growing most plants. Especially if you are new to it and don't have much to start with. When I started out, I thought "Shrooms aren't that hard.... growing basel and flowers aren't either... how hard can growing pot be?" I was sooo wrong.... I f**cking wake up in the morning and grab a cup of coffee then go and calibrate the ph of my nutrient solution... every morning - I mean it's not time consuming, but come on. Just listen to the way that sentence even sounds, haha.

If anything, the first thing that the newbie guide should say is that it is difficult enough to possibly not even be worth growing in the first place. Actually, no one would pay attention to that. A video should be made, dramatizing the pains and aches of pot growing to scare away those that are looking for a quick easy answer to lots of pot.


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Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.

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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: TomCollins]
    #303758 - 10/25/09 07:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Damn right Spency.  I think a lot of people get into thinking they will toss some seeds in soil and grow it until they can smoke it and water it and such and all will be fine.  How hard could it be???  It is a weed afterall...

Reality is different.

My first time I grew weed 20 years ago I went in my backyard, dug up some dirt and put into a pot and placed 4 seeds in and watered and set it in my window sill...in fall.  You can imagine how well that went along.  It grew...but what a joke it was.  Eventually my roommate chopped it and nuked the leaves because he ran out of smoke and thought that would get him high.


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: Azyle00]
    #303802 - 10/25/09 08:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Does anyone know a link to the Grow Bible online (Jorge Cervantes).  Tell new growers to buy that book or download it and then ask questions.  I swear I saw a link to the whole book floating around here someplace.  I would tell any new grower to buy this book.  You can't really walk someone through their first grow on growery and expect them to succeed, but if they do enough reading then they can just use growery to supplement.

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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: SmOakland]
    #303809 - 10/25/09 08:57 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Yes except the majority of the new growers will not download and read that book and will simply post the same post about wanting help etc.  You must remember, these are people who do not even read posts or use search at all before asking for help.  Linking them to a grow bible to download...just don't see that happening as if they even searched google for "mairjuana growing guide" would get them results.

"Tell new growers to BUY that book" - stops most dead in their tracks, they don't want to pay for information...

Really not sure why "helping" other people is frowned upon so much...is it spillover from Shroomery?

Walking someone through an entire grow process would be hard to do, just because of the length of time required, but answering questions, supplying information, making the site more friendly and helping noobs...what would be wrong with that?

I have read that "bible" as well.  Extremely useful but by no means is it the end all be all of growing pot...not by a long stretch.  Probably more useful information and examples already on this site given the multitude of setups, situations, styles, problems etc etc related to growing pot.


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: Azyle00]
    #303815 - 10/25/09 09:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Another useful link to guides:

http://www.growmoreweed.com/

And for anyone wishing to actually pay for the information that is already free:

http://www.marijuanagrowing.com/dhtml/home.php

And because I am not sure about the policy on this site about illegal torrents I will not link any, but lets just say, you can get all his DVDs for free as well as his guides via torrents.


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: Azyle00]
    #303843 - 10/25/09 10:01 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I have to admit I kinda like the "I Grow Chronic" video... it's entertaining enough to actually watch most of, and really seems to cover some ground... He speaks in absolute laymans terms too...

Also, there's really some great stuff over at that ICmag site or whatever...
This Thread (micro perpetual SOG) Is pretty much the shit and maybe a little too inspiring, especially on the CFL front...

The Micro Grow Thread over there in general is nice to see for a newb, cause suddenly EVERYTHING is cheap and DIY, very approachable (If you're handy I guess)

I've run across a ton of great stuff around here too, I've just read too much of it to start looking for it all again... I'll start keeping tabs.
...I still plug in tons of random noob questions into the search engine too...

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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #303875 - 10/25/09 11:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #303913 - 10/26/09 02:31 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I think what people are looking for is a site with everything. People don't want to read a book then post on growery - people want to be able to read reasonably short guides then to be able to ask questions on the same site (hence, the idea of growery). It's comforting when everything is on one site.

The guide should be updated and expanded imo. All newbies wanting to start growing should be directed to it.


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Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: TomCollins]
    #304141 - 10/26/09 06:23 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

^yeah, agreed.  What guide are you talking about?  I am not going to include anything that discourages people from growing cannabis.  Quite frankly, i don't think it's difficult to do the basics (once you know what they are) and have great results on your first try.


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #304188 - 10/26/09 07:50 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

There's only one English cultivation guide put up in the Marijuana info part of the site. That's where a newbie will look first if not the forum. 

I'm surprised a lot of people haven't read it. I got slammed for the urine thing, when the only English cultivation guide listed under Marijuana info suggested it. There seems to be a lot missing too.

Here's a link to all the "Complete Guides"
http://www.growery.org/2978/Complete-Guides


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: TomCollins]
    #304342 - 10/26/09 10:23 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Read much misinformation in guides as I research.  I can tell you one thing, reading something in a guide and accepting it as science is a lot different than reading something and investigating it to understand the science.  Someone writes a guide that is decent and has a lot of advice and information that the majority believe as truth or accept as fact and time passes...and none of us read that guide again...things change.

An example would be a guide that is very easy to find via google where the majority of what the author places on his site is quite accurate and useful, yet he would have you misting your plants throughout Veg period 2-3 times per day.  So how many noobs are out there misting the crap out of their first grows because his site is 95% accurate and top ranked in google.

I would assume that guide still contains the urine info as well.  Given so many pros reactions about using urine...you would think it should get edited out, or revised.

Anyhow, if the community is all contributing to an information source such as this, it can be updated, revised, edited, improved as an ongoing non stop project and be relevent, current and useful.


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: Azyle00]
    #304348 - 10/26/09 10:30 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

That has me thinking...

What if rather than linking to everything, could it be feasible to try to just write a super-guide?

Furrowed could delegate chapters and/or topics to different members who regularly contribute anyway and/or might be their specialty...

Possible?

Might also be great marketing if it were so damn good people referenced it from all over the web.

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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: DudeTron]
    #304361 - 10/26/09 10:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Really what is needed is a marijauna FAQ that is well organized.  Not everyone wants to wade through a guide to find out specifics and not all the new growers ask simply "how do I grow", a lot ask those same specific questions over and over.  FAQ is easy to maintain and update and expand as the curator can often use answers we have typed to those questions in posts.

MJ FAQ would be a good addition here :smile:  And can still have lots of useful links to guides "Where do I find a good guide?" and then links as an answer.


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: Azyle00]
    #304365 - 10/26/09 10:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

This whole site is a giant Q&A.  Just search and you can find just about anything.  Why would we write a grow guide when  some excellent ones already exist.  I doubt we could do better than the pros.

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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: SmOakland]
    #304457 - 10/26/09 11:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Why would we grow pot when we can buy it?  Excellent weed already exists.  I doubt we could do better than the pros.

I think however, all your negative issues were already addressed throughout this thread.  So won't be reposting the same reasons over an over.

Still can't figure out why some seem to get so uptight and ancy about growers trying to help growers.  I mean, will it really bother you that much if this site had an excellent FAQ or a decent sticky linking information, guides and other information?


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OfflineSmOakland
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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: Azyle00]
    #304620 - 10/27/09 10:20 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

The point of this thread was not to find some wat to not help newbies out.  The point was to find some way to answer the noob question, "I want to grow weed what should I do?" and stuff like that.  The growery is not here to answer simple questions that can be answered by a book, it is here to answer questions that are specific to the individual situation, or are too advanced to be in a grow guide and could only be answered by experienced growers.

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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: SmOakland]
    #304635 - 10/27/09 11:43 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

^^^^^^^^ +1 to that..

I think you're right on when you put it like that... Well said :thumbup:

So what we really need are more advanced growers around and people who don't mind helpin noobs out... Marketing?

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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: DudeTron]
    #304667 - 10/27/09 01:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

81Ren started a marketing submission thread in the website enhancement forum.  Triptonic put together a cool ad for us as well.  But I like what Smokland said about the purpose of the site.  no one should be coming to the site and asking how to grow weed.  People just need to take personal responsibility to learn the information.  These cannabis forums are really here as a supplement.  I really appreciate all of your participation and ideas with this!


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #304674 - 10/27/09 01:16 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Ha ha yea about that add. I completely have been putting shit off for a while. I need to get the 2nd one done.

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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: Triptonic]
    #304687 - 10/27/09 01:25 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

it's ok.  I haven't done shit with it since my comp died.  Ren should make that again with some incentive for people to participate.  I've been putting quite a bit of shit off too.  the Cultivation Glossary for example.  I'd like to get that thing done so that we can link certain words in this kind of an overview thread to the definitions.  We all want this to be the top cannabis site on the net, right?


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #304690 - 10/27/09 01:28 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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I've been putting quite a bit of shit off too



As have I.


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #304702 - 10/27/09 01:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Where would you put this add?

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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: SmOakland]
    #304758 - 10/27/09 03:28 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I like to research, participate and help.  I also am a big fan of science > theory.

If need any help, always ask me.  Otherwise I keep trying to learn and answer questions here.  Most of the time I am high.


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: SmOakland]
    #304838 - 10/27/09 06:28 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Where would you put this add?




I should have included a link.  We looked at a few options such as cannabis magazines, alternative newspapers (New Times in Phx), but the magazines seems prohibitively expensive.  It looks like we are just developing a card that can be made and distributed at concerts, dispensaries, festivals, etc.  Word of mouth is free and people love beautiful pictures of bud.  :lol:

http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/286172/fpart/1


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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: Azyle00]
    #304853 - 10/27/09 06:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I disagree Furrowedbrow, the simple fact is that although you and many other would really like this site to serve more as a supplement to educated growers, that simply is not reality. People who have no clue will come here regardless. So with that said, the problem will simply persist.

I'm not suggesting we have the best and most up to date guide on the net, but I'm sorry... when a site like this exists you will no doubt have newbies who know nothing wanting easy answers. This is normal human behavior; if one believe an answer already exists, why would one TRY to figure it out themselves. I can tell you right now, this site, in every way, markets itself to the newbie grower who wants smokeable pot in 3 days. "Marijuana Demystified," I mean let's really take a good look at what we want the site to be and what it actually looks like. The slogan itself makes it sound like the site caters to those that know nothing. Which in a way it should and it shouldn't.

But in any case, in my opinion the best way to answer a person seeking a non-existent easy answer is to meet them with an elaborate and complex response. Rather than telling people to do their own research we should accommodate them - however, the truth is in doing so we would weed out those who really have misunderstood the difficulty in cultivating marijuana.

This is just my opinion though.


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Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.

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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: TomCollins]
    #304863 - 10/27/09 06:54 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

All good points man.  I hadn't even thought of the marijuana demystified.  I still personally feel the active conversations should be supplemental to the content of the main site (that's what i meant in the post you reference above).  And, something interesting I remember, a while ago I had made the suggestion of using the word cannabis rather than marijuana in the forum index (main forum page).  Geo had some great input on it, which is very relavent to this discussion:

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geokills said:
We have had quite a few discussions about this during the period the site was being put online.  To be frank, marijuana has entered the popular lexicon to a degree that it is at least as if not more recognizable to the general public than the term cannabis.  Because of this, it behooves us to use the term marijuana in our descriptions as it will lead to greater proliferation through search engines, thereby allowing more people who are otherwise unfamiliar with the website and especially the practice of cultivating the cannabis plant, to find the Growery themselves for the first time.

After all, we are aiming for the Growery to become an informative website particularly for newbies in the same way that the Shroomery has become a reference website for people new to magic mushrooms.  "Magic Mushrooms" is likewise not as technically accurate as "Psilocybe and other psiloc(yb)in containing mushrooms" - but if we didn't tag the website with the more popular terminology, it would be more difficult for people to find as it wouldn't be coming up with top ranks for the most popular search terms on engines such as Google. 

Checking our statistics, it is clear that marijuana is the biggest lead from search engines, top of the list in fact; whereas the term "cannabis" is 6th in the running and garners 1 search query for every 5 queries that "marijuana" receives.

In light of 'cannabis' being an identifying term with greater history and acceptance in the scientific community specifically, I am using the term in the titles of the documents that I've created for the main site.  In this way, people can find the site through both terms, and be exposed directly to the more scientific term when they engage the subject matter in depth.

I think its a good compromise.




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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #304883 - 10/27/09 07:25 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Oh I wasn't sure what you meant by in saying the site should serve more of a supplemental purpose. I understand now you were referring to the forum and I agree.

However, it seems this compromise Geokills made was to attract more people, not to attract the educated newbie/ experienced grower. So I guess the question now is, do you guys want this site to be "popular" or more of a small community of serious growers with serious questions for each other? I'm cool with either/or personally. :tongue:

Just so long as I can keep coming here. :smile:


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Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.

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Re: HELP VETS!! [Re: TomCollins]
    #304886 - 10/27/09 07:32 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Well i think aiming for either of those options isn't the right thing to do.  I think the members should just focus on helping people by providing concise, correct information and experiences.  The site should develop without any guidance other than just us helping people out.  ehh, im not saying exactly what i mean here, but hopefully you get the drift.  We're just along for the ride here.  But, back to the original post I think it would benefit everyone to have a simple, easy to read guide on the fundamentals of cannabis horticulture.  We should build a consensus on what those fundamentals are and how they are displayed and worded.


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